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Old 12-13-2010, 02:59 PM
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Is there such a thing as: 1. Best caliber for up to 500 yards 2. Best caliber for 500 to 1000 yards.

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Old 12-13-2010, 03:11 PM
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1. .308 Winchester

2. 300 Winchester Magnum in a long throated gun and 190 to 220 grain VLD bullets.
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Old 12-13-2010, 03:30 PM
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I would say, no and no. There are several for each that will shoot equally as well. The reason the .308 is popular is because it has been tested in every which way up and down so there is a plethera of info out there on them.

Both listed above are good choices. Others may be:
500 yards: .243 Win, .260 Rem, 6X284, 6.5X284, 6.5X47, etc.
100 yards: .300 WM, .308 Norma, 6.5X284, 338 Lapua etc.... etc...

Just a couple off the top of my head that I would shoot if I were in competition. JMO.

I love shooting my 7mm Mag out to 500+.

Just shot my .220 swift a few weeks back at 550 yards to double check POI. shot a nice little 5 shot group, never measured it, but was around 6-7" with quite a gust. Getting it all warmed up for coyote hunting!
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:16 PM
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The 6.5x284 would cover both of the ranges you mention.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:21 PM
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IIRC the 1000 yard record is (or recently was ) held by a .300 Wby. Mag.

I think that much more important than the cartridge is the rifle.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:33 PM
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I love shooting my 7mm Mag out to 500+.
Comparing cartridges, and bullets, Velocities, BC's, etc. the 7RM is actually very close to the ballistic equal of the .300 Weatherby. All it lacks is a few grains of bullet weight.

Is it pretty much the same out to 1000 yds?

The longest range I have access to with a bench is 300yds. That isn't far enough to find a difference.
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I think that much more important than the cartridge is the rifle.

I share the same opinion here, lots of cartridges will do the job, but the rifle must be considered. Out of the box the F Class Savage is a very good performer.
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Old 12-13-2010, 05:21 PM
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I just went to as many manufatures websites as I could and looked at thier ballistics charts. Of course this will not do you justice if you load your own rounds but if you scan around to sights like (fusion) for eg only you can go through the list and see how every grain and calibre drops at 500 yards and they have a table you can download to give you estimates. I think it goes up to a 1000 yards. Ultimately it will have to be your choice in the end as to what cal. you want. Everyone has thier favorite and have more then likely proven thier gun. I have a lot of respect for the guys on here and take thier opinion like it was coming from my dad. Research is the key and you will find what you are looking for.
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Old 12-13-2010, 05:30 PM
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depends on the shooting sport - benchrest @ 1000 yd could give you this
http://www.theguncounter.com/forum/v...php?f=5&t=8057
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Old 12-13-2010, 06:45 PM
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IIRC the 1000 yard record is (or recently was ) held by a .300 Wby. Mag.

I think that much more important than the cartridge is the rifle.
I beleive it is currently held by the 300 Ultra Mag.
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Old 12-13-2010, 07:02 PM
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Bruce, that is pretty cool... I still don't think I'll ever own a fiddy, $3 every time I pull the trigger just doesn't feel so good!
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Old 12-14-2010, 02:51 AM
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Sorry but I have to disagree with the rifle being number one priority.

The finest rifle in the world is no better than an averarge good rifle if the person squeezing the trigger doesn't have the skills it takes to shoot 1,000 yds. People shoot 1,000 yd targets with a 223 in a lot of cross wind and do very well hitting their targets.

When you start getting out past 500 yds, shooting moves up to a whole different skill level. I have a 14 year old granddaughter that shoots extremely well out to 400yds. She does ok at 500 yds, she's tried 600 a couple of times but gotten discouraged each time and moved back to 400. She gets mad with herself, gripes and complains about how she don't understand why she don't miss at 400 but can hardley hit anything at 600. Before asking, it's not her rifle, she's using a custom built 260 that I can easily shoot 1,000 yds.

Another thing is the loads, a load that will shot bug holes at 100 yds may not hit a clay target at 400. A load that shoot's 2" groups at 400 yds may not groups with a darn at 100. If you're going to shoot long range, you build loads that group at long range, not 100yds. I shoot 100yds to get a general idea of what I want to work with, but then I shoot 400/500 yd ladder test to develope the load to use.

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Old 12-14-2010, 04:13 AM
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I'd vote for the shooter with a rifle and cartridge that he knows. Billy Dixon did a right creditable job with a Sharps and a tang sight, at the battle of Adobe Walls. Some of the fellas during WWI with Springfields corrected the thinking of a fair number of Huns, way out yonder.
When I was younger I had two rifles, a 243 Browning Safari grade Sako and a 25-06 Mark X. I hunted groundhogs with both. I got jaded and refused to shoot critters closer then 300 yards. (Guess-timated distance).
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Old 12-14-2010, 05:22 AM
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No, it is held by the 300wby not the 300 Ultra Mag.
Actually it is held by a wildcat cartrige, the 300 hulk a cartrige made by shortning a 338 lapua and necking down to a 30 caliber, it was shot using 240gr. Seirra Matchkings going nearly 3000fps, using 85grs. H1000. The group measured 1.403 inches, 5 shot group at 1000 yards.

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Old 12-14-2010, 06:26 AM
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I'd go with a fast twist .223 to be honest. The barrel will last a long time, recoil will be quite manageable, and shooters are doing amazing things with them at Camp Perry.

By the time it's worn out, then the shooter can go on to the next great thing.

Just don't want to have to lug a 20 pound rifle around the firing line!
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Old 12-14-2010, 01:22 PM
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I beleive it is currently held by the 300 Ultra Mag.
I've herd that as well, and it makes sense to me, the faster the bullet gets out to 1000 yards the less anything (wind etc.) is going to affect it. I do believe my Nosler reloading manual also said they achieved "near benchrest accuracy" with the .300 RUM, seems to be one of those "inherently accurate cartridges"

Sorry I've been corrected fritz1 is correct, here is a link for those interested: http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...at-1000-yards/

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Old 12-14-2010, 02:19 PM
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The .260 Remington would have you covered for both range 1 and range 2.

A good read on the .260 vs other 6.5's: http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-s...6.5-creedmoor/

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i would use a 300 Win Mag or A 338 Lapua
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BKeith - I just want to clarify that neither I or anyone else said the rifle was the No. 1 priority, just that it was more important than the cartridge. I will agree that the skill of the shooter is the No. 1 priority though.

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Look at what Open Division F-Class shooters are using.

Their almost all 6.5mm or 7mm's. .30 cals are great but for 1000 yard shooting, there are better options.

The .338 Lapua is in a class of it's own.
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