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Old 09-05-2011, 06:25 PM
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I have a 7mm Mag, and a 308 Norma, basically a 300 WM, and I can get acceptable performace out of ether one. So it comes down to which rifle I want to use, and not the cartridge. That being said, my next build I am making a .338 RUM for elk, and other big critters.
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Old 09-05-2011, 09:04 PM
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Anything the .300 can do the 7mm Remington magnum does with class! And a little less recoil. Love both calibers and both hold a special place in my heart.
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i chose a 30 cal because of the great selection of bullets for reloading. have never owned a metric. my first 30 was a 30-06. more power and i went with the 30-378 wby. it is now my go to for anything due to accuracy.
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Old 09-10-2011, 08:15 AM
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For me, I would pass on both for deer and go with something smaller. For elk, as has already been stated, flip a coin. Either will do the job just fine.
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Old 09-10-2011, 09:20 AM
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I know its a personal preference, but which one do you like for elk and deer and why?

also what are the pros, and cons for each?

When I first moved to Co I used a 7Rem mag/7Wby mag for my combination deer/bull elk tags and in the mid 80's I switched over to 30-338mag mainly for better bullet selection. I've used various 30 cal mags over the years 300mag,300wby,300RUM for bull elk. If I draw a cow tag don't really need a mag caliber.

I think the better bullet selection for the 7mm has improved alot and a 7mag be a good choice.

Well good luck
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:19 PM
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Thanks everyone for their input! I think I'm leaning towards the 300 win mag, mainly because as many of you stated its a flip of the coin, and the coin landed on heads (EI 300 win mag). That and my dad has a 7 mm mag and he has had a **** of a time finding a decent cartridge for it that will give him consistent precision. if any body has any input on a good 7mm round I'm sure he would love to try it out.

Really, I can't say H*ll????
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:55 PM
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I know its a personal preference, but which one do you like for elk and deer and why?

also what are the pros, and cons for each?

I'd go for the 7mm Mag and here's why;
lower recoil it's said true recoil starts with the 300 win mag; there is a reason it's said.
equivalent at distances less than 400 yds.
I recently bought a 7mm mag - it was a sweet deal, I was worried about the recoil from a "Magnum cartridge" there is no need to be with the 7mm. I am not saying I'd let my wife shoot it but it's comparable to the 30/06 & .270.
better sectional density for lower gr rounds. - There isn't much out there that can with stand a .168 or .175 bullet controlled expansion bullet. There just aren't many of us shooting grizzly's, brown bear or moose - if you can afford to do that you can afford to buy a rifle just for that hunt - and get a .338 or bigger along with a .44 mag side arm if you're going for the bears.

Last point these two cartridges the 7mm mag and 300 mag are really two peas in a pod, high velocity for a long reach - but are heavier and have 3"-4" longer barrels than a .270 or 30/06. I think what you should be asking is where will I be hunting? Open plains, across mountain valleys or in the tight woods with limited visibility. If your answer is open plains, mountain valleys pick the 7mm mag or 300 mag, if it's tight woods go with the 30/06. Or if you want the best of both choose a WSM - if you can afford the ammo.

My answer to this solution: a 30/06 & a 7mm mag in the gun cabinet.
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Old 09-15-2011, 01:31 PM
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Both were designed for pushing heavy-for-caliber bullets at respectable velocities. I you don't plan to shoot heavy bullets get a non magnum caliber. Having owned both, I will tell you when shooting full power loads with heavy bullets, the 300 has a lot more recoil.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:53 PM
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I'd go for the 7mm Mag and here's why;
lower recoil it's said true recoil starts with the 300 win mag; there is a reason it's said.
equivalent at distances less than 400 yds.
I recently bought a 7mm mag - it was a sweet deal, I was worried about the recoil from a "Magnum cartridge" there is no need to be with the 7mm. I am not saying I'd let my wife shoot it but it's comparable to the 30/06 & .270.
better sectional density for lower gr rounds. - There isn't much out there that can with stand a .168 or .175 bullet controlled expansion bullet. There just aren't many of us shooting grizzly's, brown bear or moose - if you can afford to do that you can afford to buy a rifle just for that hunt - and get a .338 or bigger along with a .44 mag side arm if you're going for the bears.

Last point these two cartridges the 7mm mag and 300 mag are really two peas in a pod, high velocity for a long reach - but are heavier and have 3"-4" longer barrels than a .270 or 30/06. I think what you should be asking is where will I be hunting? Open plains, across mountain valleys or in the tight woods with limited visibility. If your answer is open plains, mountain valleys pick the 7mm mag or 300 mag, if it's tight woods go with the 30/06. Or if you want the best of both choose a WSM - if you can afford the ammo.

My answer to this solution: a 30/06 & a 7mm mag in the gun cabinet.
I appreciate your response, but I think I'm going to go with the .300. I actually work in Alaska every summer and fall as a fishing guide, and have a lot of friends up there, so the possibility of moose hunting is definitely not out of the question.

Also, I am surrounded by wheat fields and canyon country, so a 400+ shot is not out of the question (with some practice of course). If i'm going into the thick stuff i'll take the my 30-06, or the shotgun.

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Can't argue with that! But, I'm sure we'll see some excellent reasons for the coin to land..... one way or ta other!!
I'm with you guys, will wait and see what side the coin lands on
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Old 09-15-2011, 10:52 PM
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For me, it landed on heads. IE the .300 side
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Old 09-16-2011, 03:42 AM
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I know its a personal preference, but which one do you like for elk and deer and why?

also what are the pros, and cons for each?
I've owned both over time, and it's really a matter of balance in your hunting schedule. If you're after deer every year, and elk when you draw an AZ tag, buy the 7RM. If you hunt elk every year, and shoot the deer that wander past, get a .338WM. If you're 50/50, buy the .300.

Pros and cons are a matter of recoil more than anything else.

It seems to be a trend I have observed many times. My .375H&H dropped a pound & 1/2, and turned into a .35Whelen, My 7mm Mag lost even more weight and turned into a .280 Mtn Rifle. I don't feel compromised by either change.
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Thanks everyone for their input! I think I'm leaning towards the 300 win mag, mainly because as many of you stated its a flip of the coin, and the coin landed on heads (EI 300 win mag). That and my dad has a 7 mm mag and he has had a **** of a time finding a decent cartridge for it that will give him consistent precision. if any body has any input on a good 7mm round I'm sure he would love to try it out.

Really, I can't say H*ll????
I have a 7mm mag and while yes finding rounds is not easy - in a store, check online and you can find them in abundance. Also if you buy them online you'll run across some nice sales. I got a couple boxes of Hornady super performance bonded 162 gr boat tails for $32. For a favorite cartridge I like pretty much any BT from Hornady, if your dad has 7mm mag you might consider getting one as well, that way you can share info about bullets and you if one of you should forget extra rounds the other can help out.
Sounds to me like this is a first rifle and while the 300 WM is a great round - it's not a great choice for a first rifle. If not a 7mm mag go with the 30/06 or a 308 yes your dad's rifle will be faster but there is no arguing with fact the .30 is makes a bigger hole. But above all I'd stick with a round that has measured recoil less than 23 ft-lbs ( the 30 WM measured recoil is 28 ft-lbs).
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I'm going to land in the middle of this and say neither! Go with the 30-06! As a retired gunsmith and big game hunter of some 55 years, I have shot every bullet from the 93 grain Luger bullet to the 250 grain Barnes and just about everything in between. For elk, the original 200gr Nosler is 'one-stop-shopping', the 150gr Rem. Bronze Point is deadly on antelope and the 180gr Sierra drops deer in their tracks! The old 125gr Herter's hollow point would turn a prairie dog into pink haze and the 220gr Hornady would get you a nice bear rug for the den. And, you can walk into a drug store just about anywhere in the world and buy a box of ammo...not so for the others; oh, maybe .22 LR too. (tongue in cheek on this sentence)
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Old 09-16-2011, 09:30 AM
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this is a very old and still running debate, and I agree completely with the guy that said neither....

why ?

because I've trailed too many elk that were hit solidly with a 7mmag, and left the **** county. so I do NOT like the 7mag.
why not the 30mag ?

simple, if you're going to take that much recoil, GET A .338 WM !
It will do a much better job on elk, and you can download it for deer with the 200 gr bullets, and do a marvelous job......

and then you can get something FUN to shoot for the smaller stuff .....

to me this is a no-brainer.
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That's a good chart and I made one myself a few years ago. Truth is that almost all of the modern hunting rounds are nearly identical in trajectory.
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That is a good chart, thanks for sharing.
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If you already have a .30-06, I don't know why you are looking for something else. Seems like you have a great rifle for everything up to and including moose already.
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If you already have a .30-06, I don't know why you are looking for something else. Seems like you have a great rifle for everything up to and including moose already.
Because it's actually my dad's old rifle. He got a 7mm mag about 8 years ago, and I have been using his old 30-06. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that rifle!!, but I'm looking for something of my own. Also, I use to live and hunt in thick timber and clear cuts, but I recently moved across the state, and now I live in canyon country and wheat fields.

I figure I would start my search now, but I won't have the chance to perchance the rifle for a while. I'm just trying to do some research to figure out what I want. I haven't shot my dads 7mm mag in a long time, so I want to put some rounds through it again, and see how I like it.
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