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Old 02-19-2012, 01:09 PM
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:17 PM
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Despite being an avid prairie dog shooter, that one chambering I'll probably never buy.
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Old 02-19-2012, 06:11 PM
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Nice looking rifle. I like the 17 Rem and have one in an old-style Rem Mod 700 with medium wt barrel. That's as heavy as I'd like to go for a hiking rifle, and I'll venture a guess that there won't be very many dedicated 'dog town' buyers (heavy barrel) for this hot round.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:24 PM
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If one is going to get a 17, why would would one choose anything less? I want one and I don't even know what I would use it for.
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Old 02-20-2012, 07:12 AM
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If one is going to get a 17, why would would one choose anything less? I want one and I don't even know what I would use it for.
From my limited experience with the .17 Rem although they offer high velocity and almost zero recoil, there are a bunch of negatives. Among the negatives is poor bullet selection, their accuracy is affected greatly by wind and fouling especially at ranges over a couple hundred yards. The rifles I've been around foul in little as 20 rounds and cleaning is a b**ch. I'd imagine they are tough on barrels, but I haven't seen any that was used enough to wear one out. If you don't reload ammo prices are up there rivaling some of the magnum rounds.
Just my 2 cents on why I wouldn't want one.

The CZ's are neat rifles that have a reputation for accuracy and I love that mini-Mauser action.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:28 AM
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I have a 17-222 Rem Mag or as stamped on the barrel 17 Ackley Magnum.It shoots 4000 fps out of a 20 in barrel.I moly coat my bullets and the reduces fouling greatly.It is very accurate and is devastaion on ground squierrels and prairie dogs.I have killed many prairie dogs at ranges over 300 yards.But thats with a perfectly calm day.Add some wind and it almost worthless.I think some of the early barrels were not cut as smooth as they are these days.Mine seems to be very smooth.The rifle was built by O'BRIEN RIFLE COMPANY of Las Vegas, NV,probably in the 70's.If you want a 17 by all means buy one.It is a bit of a challenge and very fun to shoot on a calm day.
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:16 PM
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well since I do reload the ammo cost factor doesn't come into play. I understand that basically the faster you try to push any bullet your going to increase throat erosion, so if that is a negative then you shouldn't own any rifles that shoot over 3000 fps, The fouling can be dealt with by moly coating bullets. I would think that wind would effect slower moving bullets moreso than faster moving bullets because the wind has more time to act on the slower bullet given targets at equal distances. so comparing apples to apples on a 17 rifle, I still think the 17 remington would be the one for me.
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Old 02-20-2012, 03:34 PM
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Last trip to South Dakota my brother and I were shooting prairie dogs.A bad wind was blowing.His 223 with 55 gr bullets drifted way less than my 17 shooting 20 gr vmax or the old Hornady 25 gr HP.Either way though we both had a hard time hitting anything over 100 yards.Problem I have in my area is the lack of lead free bullets to shoot in it.Nobody makes one.Last correspondence I had with Hornady I was told they were working on one but was having trouble making one that will withstand the velocity's possible with the centerfires.None of the other manufacturers I contacted had any desire to make one.True if ya push bullets of the seme weight and BC faster ,it will drift less in the wind.It is easier to get a more efficiant bullet as caliber increases.In all honosty the wind was blowing so hard that day even my .300 RSAUM and 150 gr bullets were blowing off target .The 17's can be challenging like I said but I will not trade mine for anything else.Ya just have to know it;s limitations just as all things in life.
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Old 02-20-2012, 05:16 PM
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The rifles I've been around foul in little as 20 rounds and cleaning is a b**ch.
Mine too fouls in 20-25 rounds and fortunately, it's a fairly rapid dropoff in accuracy to indicate a cleaning is needed. My barrel isn't any more difficult to get clean with a 1-piece rod than larger calibers, it just needs cleaning more often.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:26 PM
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Last trip to South Dakota my brother and I were shooting prairie dogs.A bad wind was blowing.His 223 with 55 gr bullets drifted way less than my 17 shooting 20 gr vmax or the old Hornady 25 gr HP.
I've experienced the same. I was shooting the 25 gr Hornady HP out of the 17 Rem and there was a stiff wind blowing, the kind of wind that bends sagebrush over! We were shooting rockchucks and there were a bunch popping out about 150 yards or so. I was holding 6" into the wind with the 17 (approx 4000 fps), and a friend was having to hold 12" into the wind with his 223 (approx 3200 fps; 52 or 55 gr bullets) to make hits. I've never checked this with ballistic programs, but that is what we were experiencing. Out past 150 yards, that gap would probably close fast.

The 17 Rem is one of those cartridges that has mythical capabilities. You'll only know if you get one!
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Out past 150 yards, that gap would probably close fast.

The 17 Rem is one of those cartridges that has mythical capabilities. You'll only know if you get one!
My guess is after 150 yards the .223 would show even better. The .17 really runs out steam after 200 yards.
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Having shot Priarie Dogs at over 300 yards with my 17 Ackley I can say it does not run out of steam.It just is not good in the wind.I have no issues with fouling either.Monty you can attest to the wind out there in the prairie.If I was to build a rifle for shooting out there it would be at least 6 mm.

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Old 02-21-2012, 01:41 PM
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Having shot Priarie Dogs at over 300 yards with my 17 Ackley I can say it does not run out of steam.It just is not good in the wind.I have no issues with fouling either.Monty you can attest to the wind out there in the prairie.If I was to build a rifle for shooting out there it would be at least 6 mm.
The out of steam comment wasn't based on experience. Thought I recalled the .17 as slowing about 1200FPS at 200 hundred yards. After that it was more like 800+FPS per 100... guess I should quite rambling and check the ballistics charts....

I had condsidered some sort of 6mm but never had a varminter of that caliber. Have used my 25-06 on a very limited basis but it lacks the accuracy and endurance for long range doggin'
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:33 PM
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According to my Barnes Ballistic Program the 20 gr V-Max with a BC of .187 leaving the muzzle at 4000 fps is going 3420 fps at 100,2910 at 200 and 2450 at 300 yards.One thing to consider is the rotational speed of the bullet.That does not slow down much and the bullets explode even at the lower velocity.Wind drift with a 15 mph wind is 1.6 at 100,6.8 at 200 and 16.6 at 300.According to my old Ackley book of wildcats this cartridge is capable of velocities of over 4400 fps.Old P.O. could be a littleover on his estimations sometimes. My loads are pretty conservitive considering all the data is for obsolete powders that are no longer avaiable.The 25 gr Hornady HP fares a little better, but not much.Best shooting I did was with my Remington CDL 264 mag but thats a bit costly to shoot alot.Did way better in the wind.The 17 calibers are like everything else in the world.It has it's limitations.Velocity loss is closer to 500 fps evey hundred yards 562 at 100 509 at 200 and 458 at 300 for each 100 yards.

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Old 02-22-2012, 04:24 PM
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How about the new 17 HORNET?? With another 17 for shooters maybe some better 17 bullets will come along.
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Well, as you guys will no doubt notice, this is my first post. I love the 17 remington and shot one for about 12 years though mostly at coyotes. It is a coyote killing machine and will do its job beyond 300 yards if the shooter does his/her part. I kept most of my loads in the 3800fps class and had no trouble getting 80-100 shots in before a cleaning was required.
I never lost a dog to this caliber and my longest shot was 330 yards.
Its not perfect varmint round but its close.
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:50 PM
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I kept most of my loads in the 3800fps class and had no trouble getting 80-100 shots in before a cleaning was required.
Welcome Wolf. I'd like to know your recipe for that load that allows that many shots before cleaning is needed for the 17 Rem. Or, the barrel supplier! How about both?!
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Old 02-28-2012, 08:14 AM
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Welcome Wolf. I'd like to know your recipe for that load that allows that many shots before cleaning is needed for the 17 Rem. Or, the barrel supplier! How about both?!
When I sold the gun last summer, I gave all my load data to the buyer. Sorry.
The barrel was a factory (yes, I got lucky) remington sporter and oddly enough, it was one of the most accurate if not the most accurate rifles I ever owned. Thinking about it, my Cooper has out shot it but nothing else that I can remember.
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I've settled on using Win 760 (dirty) for my loads in the 17 Rem. It flows well into that small case mouth, even with lube on the inside. I tried some extruded powder (cleaner) and it was an exercise in futility getting it to feed. If you were getting 4-5x the number of shots before a cleaning was needed, I'd sure like to know it, and if you 'put up' with the powder feeding issues with some extruded powder, or if you had some other loading technique.
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I use 23.5 gr pf IMR3031 powder and slowly trickle it into the funnel giving it some swirling action.It's a little tedious but not that hard to do.I don't leave lube on the inside of the case mouth.Holding the bullet in line with the case mouth during bullet seating is a bit tedious too.Shawn do you use a progressive loader?Not sure why it would be so hard to get powder in the case otherwise.
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