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View Poll Results: .243 verses .244(6mm)
I prefer the .243 19 54.29%
I prefer the .244 13 37.14%
I don't like either 3 8.57%
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:23 AM
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I've never ever had a .24 caliber rifle. Some friends use .243 Winchester and others us the .244 Remington. The .243 seems to be more popular based on ammo in the gunshops, while the .244 (6mm) seems to have the edge with respect to velocity but seems to be fading away. I understand that both are excellent deer/pronghorn cartridges. Which would be the better choice for rebarreling a short action bolt rifle?
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:04 AM
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The 6mm and the 244 aare the same cartrdge, but not all 6mm and 244 rifles are the same.

When these two cartridges cam out they were in different camps.
Remington saw the 244 as a varmint rifle that could be used for deer. and therefore made barrels with a longer twist (1:12) to stabilize lighter bullets better. So that rifle lost in the deer (some varmint class) race.
Winchester addressed their barrel to do either, giving it a 1:10 twist rate. So it handled the 75-100 grain bullets great. It won the race.

Later Remington wised up and made the same cartridge under the title "6 mm Rem" and made rifles barrels with a 1:10 twist. It was too late the 243 win was already a ledgend, and Remington eventually gave up on the cartridge. A few years latter, Rem decided to drop the two different headnames and just sold 244 rem ammo. a few rifles have come and gone in the 244/6mm; but it will never be as popular as the 243 win.

The 243 Win is a necked down 308 case. While the 244/6 is based upon the 7x57 mauser case. Because the 244/6 mm is slightly longer, it holds just a touch more powder. But because it is slightly longer (.1), you might lose that capacity in order to use a Short Action and still seat the bullet to factory COL. This could be a concern if you reload.

If you don't reload, then there are many more factory loading available to you with the 243.

From practical hunting and shooting concerns it a coin toss...no real difference; (244/6mm ammo usually costs a few dollars more because it is less popular.)
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Old 04-22-2012, 09:10 AM
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I like the 6 mm Remington (.244) better, than the .243 Winchester, as it has a longer neck to seat bullets and it can be loaded a little "Hotter" than the .243.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:20 PM
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My wife has shot a bunch of deer and pigs with a 6mm Rem in a short action 700. It works fine although you have to be a bit careful with bullet selection. We have found some 100gr. bullets that will barely get through the shoulder of a small Texas whitetail. Good 100gr. cup and core bullets will give about 16" or so of penetration on a pig and will easily shoot through our deer.

I haven't tried any Partitions or the like as I have a good supply of 100gr. Hornady Interlock bullets (flat based) and these seem to do OK for her hunting. Previously we used 100gr. Rem factory ammo as I lucked upon a pretty good pile of it a long time ago, but it's gone now.

Basically, pick either one and be careful about bullet selection. You hunt where the deer are larger, it may pay to use something partition/bonded/monolithic. Just a thought.

Those that would put a lot of weight to one over the other are splitting the finest of hairs. There is simply no practical advantage of one over the other, save for variety and availability of factory ammo. Here in Texas I can get either; that may not be true everywhere else.
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I am a long time .243 lover simply because in about 1958 or 9, a fellow handed me his model 70 .243 with a bag of reloads and just let me shoot.

Talk about impressing a kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The 6mm/244 is just a touch faster then the .243, but as to the neck length situation, after years of shooting and reloading the .243 I have never found it to be an issue!

Most of the poor press some cartridges get, 300 savage, 300 win mag, .243, and others with such "short" neck lengths comes from those who just need something to fill pages or columns with, as in reality the "short" neck is seldom an issue.

It is mostly a person's like or dis-like, like friend I have who has a "thing" about any cartridge which happens to have a belt. Mostly it is just thoughts/feelings/hype about nothing.

I have great results on deer sized game, however, after a bullet failure on my first deer taken with the the .243 - mid 60s - and one of the old cup an core Hornadys I have mostly hunted with the 95 or 100gr Nosler Partition.

The newer Hornady "interlock" is a much better bullet then the old one, but even the best of the cup an core bullets falls well short of bullets with high integrity like the Nosler Partition and other new bonded production.

AS to the 6mm/244 Remingtion, not only was Remington simply stupid in the same way they were when they flopped back and forth naming the .280/7mm Remingtion - changing names on the same cartridge and adding confusion, stupid - but they made the wrong choice as to rate of twist in their early rifles.

All in all, there is no critter out there that can tell you the difference after taking a hit from the .243 or 6mm, but still make mine the .243 Winchester.

Keep em coming!

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Old 04-22-2012, 01:58 PM
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You are really splitting hairs between the two. That's like trying to choose between a 7X57 and a 7mm-08. The difference is so little it doesn't matter. At one time I would have said get the Remington. But now, I'd probably get the Winchester.

Get whatever suits your fancy.
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You need a "It doesn't matter" option in your poll. That's what I would have picked. I didn't vote.
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There isn't enough difference between the two cartridges to really distinguish one from the other. Pick whichever one you think has a really "cool" name.
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They need the "I like both option."

I voted for the .243 just because I had one. No moss on the 6mm either.
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I have owned both and prefer the 6MM but there is very little difference between the two.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:30 PM
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I've owned both but ended up with just the .243. I killed lots of deer with it and really liked that short, little M70. Sadly I sold it back when I decided to divest myself of most of my modern guns to concentrate on flintlocks.
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I got my first 243 1965 later I had 6Rem and 6RemAI build so I did enjoy shooting all 3 rifles and I like the 6Rem/6RemAI on a long action.

I'm still shooting the 243 but added a 243AI both on short action. Well good luck
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Old 04-22-2012, 08:18 PM
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I have to go with the 6mm because it's very close to the 6.5x55 SE which is my favorite.
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I voted for the 243 Win. Only because that's what I have. If there was any factor to help choose between the two, I think it would be whether you reload ammo, or not. If you do, toss a coin. If not, there is a lot more 243 Win ammo to be had. I'm in remote Idaho, and 223, 22-250, 243 Win, 25-06 Rem, 270 Win, 308 Win, 30-06, 338 WM ammo is readily available. But not 6mm Rem. It only matters if you don't plan a trip well.
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They need the "I like both option."

I voted for the .243 just because I had one. No moss on the 6mm either.
I agree with Monty here and most of the posts ! As you see in my screen name i love all things 6mm/243. The 243 i have now is not the first one i've owned and they are tack drivers. Plenty of range with either and as always shot placement is important. Some might think i'm crazy but i am about to build my first rifle and it will be a 6mm Remington. For the last few years i used Winchester 95gr XP3 and it worked extremely well and was very accurate in my gun. I have decided to switch this year and now will be using Nosler Custom Handload with the 90gr E-Tip, Nosler's monolithic lead free bullet. Nosler's data shows that at 400 yards this round still has a little over 1000 ft lbs of energy. Anyway, either way you go it will be good and try several different rounds in whatever you decide to get. As the others have said if you don't load your own then there is much more to choose from for the 243. Good luck to ya and let us know what you decide !!
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Woodchuck "...That's like trying to choose between a 7X57 and a 7mm-08. "

When I was looking for a 7mm I chose a 275 Rigby, never looked back!!
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There is a difference !

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Woodchuck "...That's like trying to choose between a 7X57 and a 7mm-08. "

When I was looking for a 7mm I chose a 275 Rigby, never looked back!!
That choice would depend on whether you wanted a short action or a long action rifle !
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:03 AM
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No, actually, it would not. The 6mm Rem fits just fine in a short action rifle.
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Seems most don't undrstand the joke, hope woodchuck got it!
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Yeah, if I was buying a 7x57 I'd go with a short action, but for a 275 Rigby, only a fool would get it in anything other than a long action.
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