Hey Guys, I am looking for a 356 win load and hoped to see if anyone had done any work with the FTX bullet and Leverevolution Powder. WilliamIorg suggested i start a new thread rather than tag on to an older thread. I think LE powder may hold some promise with the 356 but Hodgedon isnt interested in developing load data.
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I have the powder, but haven't worked with it in mine. Same with the FTX bullet. But Ramshot Xterminator has worked awesome in my Winchester 356 so far with the 180 Speer. I have some 200 grn bullet loads loaded but haven't fired yet but this is what the 180 Speer gave me at 100 yards when I was doing a OCW workup:

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Wow, nice group! I think I would be happy with that!

LeverEvolution powder works well for the 35 Remington, which has 15 grains less capacity and operates at approximately 11,000psi lower pressure than the 356 Winchester. Given how finicky Hodgdon is claiming LE powder is, I would not expect it to be well-suited to the larger, higher-pressure cartridge.

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I have the 356, the LeverRevolution powder but could care less about the FTX bullets?, I'm going to use the Speer 220's, I have a 35 Remington for little 35 cal bullets.
And yes, a call to Hodgdon concerning the 356 was a waste of ten minuets of my life!

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Just load some IMR4198 or Rel-7 under the FTX and be done with it. The gain you will see in the 356 will come from the bullet design not the powder under it.

The higher BC of the FTX, even with standard loads, will far outweigh and supposed advantage of the leverlution powder. These new powders, regardless of what Hodgdon is saying, are not all that. In the real world, an extra 50-120fps will never make a difference on the animal. The bullet design makes the difference.

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Actually, I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but neither the FTX bullet, nor the LE powder, alone, accounts for the noteworthy increase in performance from rounds like the 35 Remington and 30/30 Winchester. When they are used in combination, with a higher MV and a higher BC, that is when you see additional point-blank range that is worth mentioning.

Don't believe me? Plug the numbers into a decent ballistics program and you'll find, for ranges of ~225 or less, the higher BC of the FTX bullet doesn't make all that much difference. Neither does the additional MV you actually DO GET from the LE powder. However, when you put those two together, you get a boost in performance that has a lot of guy paying attention. I believe the word is "synergy".

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I'll have to check on that Jason.

But, in my experience with the 35whelen and 358 win, there is a huge difference in 200yd trajectories between a 200gr Hornady RN and a 200 gr Hornady Spire point. IMO, 4" less drop at 200yds is a big difference. I fail to see where the same results wouldn't hold true with the FTX bullets.

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When a 200gr FTX bullet is started out at 2400fps it has a maximum PBR of 237 yards, when using a 6" kill zone.

When a 200gr Hornady RN bullet is started out at 2400fps it has a maximum PBR of 215 yards, when using a 6" kill zone.

So, the net difference between the FTX and RN bullets is 22 yards of what many would consider effective range. To add a little more perspective, the RN drops 8" at 250 yards, when sighted in for a maximum PBR, while the FTX drops 5.3" at 250 yards, a difference of 2.7" Given that you're going to have to hold high in either case, I don't see one being a tremendous advantage over the other.

Now, start the FTX bullet 100-150fps faster, and the velocity it retains helps it create a more significant gap in performance between these two particular bullets.

The FTX bullet will perform differently than Hornady's 200 grain RN on game as well. The jacket is thicker so it will hold together better and yet the tip will cause very good expension. Out of the 356 the FTX seems to be the ticket. I was in hopes that Leverevolution powder would squeeze out an extra 100 fps. But, without data we may never know. That said, your numbers look good broom.

My problem with the FTX bullet in the 356 Winchester is the necessity to shorten the case. This requires either shortening all active cases or keep them segregated. If I had a special Lee trimmer for the shorter length it would be an easier decision.
I recently gave away my last pound of LeveRevolution powder. There are better powders unless you are wedded to ball type powders.

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Well, I just bought a bunch of Speer 180 grain FP bullets instead of the Hornady 200 FTX. They were on clearance at $25 a box. I understand that the only draw back with the Speer 180 is the fairly low Sectional Density. I should be good on anything up to 400lbs. The Speer Manual shows this bullet at 2650 fps with Accurate 2015 powder. So much for the 200ftx and LE powder.

So, you're not going to use the powder OR bullet mentioned in the title of the thread?

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Between the 220gr Speer and the REM 200gr CLRN there is no need for other bullets in the 356win. I thick the Flextip is the wrong bullet for the velocity the 356win produces. 2350fps is perfect for the 220gr Speer there is a place for the fast to expand but tuff rem 200gr CLRN.

H4895/H322/TAC are all good powders to try.