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Old 01-05-2004, 10:20 AM
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22" vs. 24" for 30-06 barrel.


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Hello, this is my first thread. I recently purchased a remington 700 bdl in 30-06 with a 22" barrel and was wondering how its accuracy compares to the 24" or longer versions of the 700 in the same caliber. I haven't purchased a scope yet because I am waiting for the new Leupold VX-III to come out later this month so I'm not sure how accurate mine really is.........but from using the iron sights I'm pretty sure its more accurate than I am. Thanks
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Barrel length in itself does not dictate how accurate a rifle may be in most cases.Given all the .30-06's out their with 22',24', or 26" barrels youl find just as many with the shorter tubes that will outshoot the longer ones . Most hand loaders tout longer barrels for their ability to burn more powder which will yield more velocity that will flatten trajectory somewhat but doesn't neccessarily make the gun any more accurate as to group size. I wouldn't worry how accurate yours might have been had it been fitted with a 24' tube , it will only be as accurate as its quality of manufacture will let it regardless of an extra inch or two.


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Like 444 said, there's a difference in velocity, but none in accuracy.
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Hello, this is my first thread. I recently purchased a remington 700 bdl in 30-06 with a 22" barrel and was wondering how its accuracy compares to the 24" or longer versions of the 700 in the same caliber. I haven't purchased a scope yet because I am waiting for the new Leupold VX-III to come out later this month so I'm not sure how accurate mine really is.........but from using the iron sights I'm pretty sure its more accurate than I am. Thanks
Good question.

I have shot 30-06's in both 22" and 24".
I just like the feel of the 24" on my Weatherby and and old Remington 700 with a 24" douglas barrel.

Does anyone have personel knowledge of what the same round would do in a 22" as opposed to a 24" barrel?
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Welcome aboard, Squall -

The only difference between the 22" bbl and the 24" bbl will be approx. 50 - 60 fps in velocity, depending on ammunition and condition of the bores.

Some tout the shorter barrels being stiffer, therefore, more inherently accurate. This is demonstrated by the short barreled hand rifles, such as the Remington, Thompson/Center and Savage, and other semi-custom guns.
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In my 700 adl, i get around 60 fps less than in my Vanguard with the same load (57.0 gr imr4350 and 150gr silvertip, old style). I've shot loads that had more variation shot-to-shot than that......i prefer the 22" bbl tho, for a tree stand
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Old 01-06-2004, 08:46 AM
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Cool

How about some real .30-06 data? From G&A 1981, same barrel cut off in increments:
Load.... 26".....24"......22".....20"
165.....2896...2850...2820...2772

Average was 20 fps/inch.
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Mine is real data, chronographed. I just hate to say "2754 fps versus 2818" as a hard figure, since not each round makes the same velocity. Therefore, my post about the difference between my two rifles running about 60fps as an average
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Hello, this is my first thread. I recently purchased a remington 700 bdl in 30-06 with a 22" barrel and was wondering how its accuracy compares to the 24" or longer versions of the 700 in the same caliber. I haven't purchased a scope yet because I am waiting for the new Leupold VX-III to come out later this month so I'm not sure how accurate mine really is.
SQUALL, SOME loads will benefit from a longer barrel - like those with slower burning powders. IF you have a load optimized for shorter barrels, the differences in velocity is far smaller. Some HEAVY BULLET loads can benefit from 26" barrels!

NOW, as for the Leupold scope! I just saw a hunting episode on TV recently - the CEO of Leupold was using a 30-06 in ALASKA and had a brand new model TS-3 series that was calibrated to calculate the bullet drop for his (180gr) 30-06 load and hit dead on at a wide range of distances just by dialing in the elevation that was marked in yards! He said he was comfortable shooting it out to 500 yards and holding right where he wanted to hit... IMPRESSIVE scope!

I guess it's a new version of the BULLET DROP COMPENSATOR SYSTEM... NOT SURE! Check it out before you order a new scope - he said it's gonna' be released after the first of the year - in time for SHOT SHOW?

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I am patiently waiting for these scope companies to come up with a bullet "wind" compensator in there scopes. Iv'e seen a few folks with these scopes put a perfectly compensated bullet square in the *** cheek of some far off game animals. I guess thet haven't figured out how to get one of those spinning wind-o-meter thingys to pop out of the top of their scopes yet (?).


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Problem isn't compensating for the wind, the problem is reading it, and not just at the rifle, at intervals all the way to the target!

A very good reason why there are extremely few people in the world who have any business shooting at game animals way over yonder....
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In line with what 444fitch said, and MikeG commented on, I once saw a fellow who shot at a buck antelope about 400 yards away. The guy's a pretty decent shot, and hunts pronghorn most every year at my in-law's ranch. Where he was standing was breezy, but not bad - less than 10 mph I would guess. Apparently, there was a much stronger wind blowing between the shooter and the pronghorn, because the bullet hit a doe, which was standing next to the buck, right behind the ear. That 270 bullet had drifted a good 2-3 feet. In a 10 MPH wind it should have drifted only 12" or so.

I know it's off the barrel-length topic, but it pays to be cautious when shooting long range!
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Hello, this is my first thread. I recently purchased a remington 700 bdl in 30-06 with a 22" barrel and was wondering how its accuracy compares to the 24" or longer versions of the 700 in the same caliber. I haven't purchased a scope yet because I am waiting for the new Leupold VX-III to come out later this month so I'm not sure how accurate mine really is.........but from using the iron sights I'm pretty sure its more accurate than I am. Thanks
Shorter barrels give off more muzzle blast! Longer barrels such as a 26 inch length are needed to get the highest velocity reading out of magnum calibers. NO 2 barrels are alike as far as velocity with a given load is concerned. The average loss of 2 inches of barrel is around the 35fps per inch mark, to as much as 60fps per inch on some barrels.

I like a short barrel when hunting in the real thick stuff, but find that a longer heavier barrel is much easier to hold on target, especially past the 200 yard marker. Weather you have a 22, 24 or 26 inch barrel, it won't make any difference in the killing ability of big game.

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I am patiently waiting for these scope companies to come up with a bullet "wind" compensator in there scopes. Iv'e seen a few folks with these scopes put a perfectly compensated bullet square in the *** cheek of some far off game animals. I guess thet haven't figured out how to get one of those spinning wind-o-meter thingys to pop out of the top of their scopes yet (?).


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We're not that far off from having a computer chip installed inside the scope or base, that you can set for wind direction and speed - kinda' like a bomb sight - and it can calculate how much windage to dial in for a perfect shot! Right now, it's all just more or less mechanical. You seen the sights on that new Objective Crew Served Weapon (OCSW) yet? It's got a video display screen with a computer built into it!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...round/ocsw.htm

I see a pop-up 2" video screen with computer built in one day for our future.



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When the day comes that I gotta nestle with my hunting buddie to operate the gun to shoot a deer , I think it's time to take up golf.


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For whitetails... I'll take a single-action Ruger over that contraption!
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Shorter barrels give off more muzzle blast! Longer barrels such as a 26 inch length are needed to get the highest velocity reading out of magnum calibers. NO 2 barrels are alike as far as velocity with a given load is concerned. The average loss of 2 inches of barrel is around the 35fps per inch mark, to as much as 60fps per inch on some barrels.

I like a short barrel when hunting in the real thick stuff, but find that a longer heavier barrel is much easier to hold on target, especially past the 200 yard marker. Weather you have a 22, 24 or 26 inch barrel, it won't make any difference in the killing ability of big game.
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Ditto,
Without a doubt, hunting out of a stand with feeders set at 175 to 200 yards, I can hold much better with the longer and heavier 24" barrels. For that one reason,I prefer the 24's.
That is worth it to me.

However, when I get down and sneak through the woods rattling, I prefer a smaller,shorter rifle.

I also wanted to get you guys thoughts on muzzle brakes.
For a while, it seemed to be the trend. I bought one on a Browning and thought that 1) it was too dang loud and 2)
it seemed to hurt the overall balance on the rifle. So, I never bought another one.
What do you'll think.
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Muzzle brakes and muzzle porting help in reducing muzzle jump on heavy recoiling firearms - rifle or pistol - and some folks like them. I don't like them if I'm the guy next to one at the range! Those shooting them don't seem to realize just how loud they are to adjacent shooters. If you're by yourself, suppose that's different.

I distinctly remember the helleshious report when taking a mule deer buck with a T/C Contender 16" muzzle braked .35 Remington some years back - ! Was leaning against a great big Ponderosa pine which blocked the muzzle on the left side somewhat. My ears and the surrounding woods rang for several hours afterward! Traded that sucker not long after that.

If you're shooting anything less than a .338 WM, I can't see the need for the average shooter to have a brake. That's my .02, anyway.
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We're not that far off from having a computer chip installed inside the scope or base, that you can set for wind direction and speed - kinda' like a bomb sight - and it can calculate how much windage to dial in for a perfect shot! Right now, it's all just more or less mechanical. You seen the sights on that new Objective Crew Served Weapon (OCSW) yet? It's got a video display screen with a computer built into it!

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...round/ocsw.htm

I see a pop-up 2" video screen with computer built in one day for our future.



Gowge-

There is a new web site called, fantasy hunt.com. They will set a camera at your feeder that you can dial up on your home computer. It is set on a motion sensor. When a deer walks up, you get a "YOU'VE GOT MAIL" signal from your computer.
In talking to these people, I found out that it is also possible to mount a rifle in an all-weather case, automatically calibrate the latitude and longitude with your deer that has been sighted in and pull off a shot while sitting in your easy chair watching football.

This is do-able now. Scary thought, Just think, no more getting up at 4o AM, sitting in the sub-zero weather all day,
having your wife mad at you by the second week-end of season because your gone all the time.
Just take your shot, drive out and clean your deer.
Jack O'Conner would turn over in his grave!

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