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Old 03-27-2013, 08:08 PM
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7mm Rem Mag vs. .30-06 Springfield


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Was looking to see if either one was far more superior to the other. The bullet dimensions look about the same, so i was just seeing if one has more recoil also. Im looking to buy a gun and ive narrowed it down to these two calibers.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:15 PM
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The 7 RM has a greater case capacity and therefore more powder to burn and more felt recoil. Bullet mass will be pretty much the same until you start getting 180 grain and higher weights in the 30-06. The 7RM is a .284" diameter bullet, while the 30-06 is .308" diameter.

Both will get the job done for hunting. Personally, I have both and consider them pretty much equal in abilities. The 7RM may have a better trajectory and initial velocity, but the '06 leaves nothing to be desired.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:53 PM
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I chose the 7mm Mag when I made the choice, but then I've skipped the 30-06 all together and went with the 300 Mag for the next step up.

I think it would depend on what you plan to hunt. The 7mm is a lot flatter shooting caliber and down range ballistics are great. The lighter bullets make up for what they loose up close when compared side by side. The 06 can shoot a whole lot heavier bullet than available for the 7mm. so for close range, pure old knockdown power, the 06 works.

Also might want to look at the difference in bullet cost, unless you only plan to shoot a box every few years.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:57 PM
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Well I have hunted with both calibers in rifles and I like the 7mm mag for most game animals but the 30-06 is no slouch when it comes to downing big game like moose, elk and even the big bears. The 30-06 shines with a 220 grain bullet in this catagory of big game animals.
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:38 PM
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I would pick a magnum for two reasons...

1) I need to shoot heavier bullets in the same caliber than what I'm shooting right now because I can't get the performance level I need with the case capacity I have now.

2) I need to shoot the same bullet with the same performance I have now, but at a longer range.

So... unless I'm going past 400 yards on _________ (pick your game), there's probably a non-magnum cartridge that will do the job without the blast and recoil. I don't think I'm confident enough in my abilities as a shooter to go beyond 400 yards, so I probably don't need anything more than a .25-06, .280, .30-06, or .338-06 for anything I'm remotely likely to hunt.

OK, so I thought of a third reason...

3) I want to extend my range without resorting to "hold over".

Any one of those reasons by itself would be enough to go with a magnum.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:28 AM
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Auctually either one would be a good choice. When shooting similar weight bullets the two run neck to neck. I've hunted with both and found neither one to be lacking. But for what its worth I still have two 30-06s and no 7mags.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:12 AM
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The difference for me is the magic of the ballistic chart after 275 yards, between 275 and 400 the 7mag is clearly superior on the trjectory charts with bullets from 130 to 160 gr, as for me and i feel for most hunters there are realistic advantages to having the ability to holding high on the shoulder, vs trying to guess how much above the back you are holding at a given distance, (if you don't have a scope with mil-dots , or don't know how to use or calculate mills quickly at misc, yardages, ) even if you don't feel comfortable at or past 350 yds the flatter trajectory of the 7 mag is , or can be a difference maker in some situations, and as for as recoil , i bet you could blind fold 5 shooters and none of them could tell which round they where shooting, i have both calibers, as well as serveral more, and honestly think the 7 mag recoil is less than the 06 , (slightly)
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:57 AM
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Gents,

Tend to agree that the range favors the 7RM. One can hit to steady hold, generally. I do find the cartridge a bit of a diva, though- expirimentation being what it is. Ive gotten similiar velocities from the 150s as 140s, which is where I started for a long range load. I have also found that heavier bullets in the 7mm Mag are generally the most accurate of the 7s in my rifle, and that negates that down range advantage. Still, the holdover comment made is sage. I still exercise mine a great deal, more because it is a diva, and demands nearly constant attention.

I like and would opt for the 06 as a do it all, although the 7mm comes close. The best of the 30s in my opinion, it handles a heavy bullet better, generally, and I like to shoot a fairly heavy pill. IMR 4350 ended esstentially the dickering with this fine old round, and the 180s, and I shoot allot of 180s. I don't feel foolish in the slightest shooting a 60 pound doe with a 180 grain bullet from the 06.

Again, without any real specifics, the 06 is nearly always the second best option for any situation, the other cartridges in the tree being more specialized, so it holds a place near and dear as the "universal backup rifle". Mine has traveled far and wide in this role.

I am a fan, huge fan of 35 caliber rifles, and have a stable of such guns, but if I had one and only, it would be a 30-06.

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Old 03-28-2013, 11:29 AM
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Split the difference and go with a 280 Rem.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:00 PM
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Nope.... practically identical. Easily proved, and those who think there is a difference are splitting the finest of hairs in doing keyboard shooting.

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Old 03-28-2013, 08:35 PM
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I completely agree. The differences are very minor. With todays bullet selection the 06 is incredibly versatile. The differences show up beyond 300+ yards. Yes some of you shoot beyond that, but the fact remains that almost everything is shot under 200 yards. And most are under 100 yards. I fell under the spell of the 270wsm a few years ago. But the reality is the long range superiority was unbelievable wasted meat at realistic ranges. I now have two 30-06 rifles. Most of the factory ammo is cheaper than 7mm as well. Plus you can find it everywhere. My vote goes to the 06.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:47 PM
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There are 3 calibers that are always on sale during hunting season: The .270 Winchester, the 30-06 and the good ole 30-30 caliber. Anything with magnum on it is 40% more money.
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Both are great rounds, 7mm has a little more reach on it, but 30-06 can still reach out pretty far, The recoil from both rounds is relatively close to me... I don't own a 30-06, but have shot many of my friends and relatives. I do love the 7mm Rem Mag I have though. It just depends on what rifle catches my eye at the store for me. I'd look at a .280 remington too, Thats a 7mm round loaded in a necked down 30-06 shell.. a nice median for the two.
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Ok for Elk 338 win mag or 7mm mag?
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What is not to like about both of them when used for most applications?

I've had both, but have had no 7mms of any kind for a number of years and recently bought another "06" for a loaner rifle with which to mentor a young hunter.

There is the bullet weight factor which may slightly favor the "06", but with the 165gr Nosler Partition or another bullet of like weight and integrity, the 7mag is awesome.

The longest shot I have ever taken was with a RUGER #1B 7mag. According to the Redfield, in scope range finder the buck was right at 500yds or just a touch more, using the 165gr Nosler.

One shot and the critter simply fell over.

That was many years back, and I'll never take another shot like it, even with my 300win mag that puts a 165gr Nosler Partition out the barrel at 3300fps.

If long range is your desire, then maybe the 7 mag, but in reality and for most smart and reasonable people, face it the huge majority of game is taken well within the ability of both these fine cartridges.

As fine as they both are, and considering that most of my hunting is now done with a 45/70 and a 465gr cast WFN bullet, I'll come down on buying the 30/06 and have recently done so.

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Old 03-29-2013, 12:22 PM
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Ok for Elk 338 win mag or 7mm mag?
Yes.

Or the .30-06.

Or any of several others. These threads are like arguing about angels on the head of a pin.
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Don't be a tight-wad, get one of each. I did.

All these "mine is better than yours" or "which one is better" threads soon turn into a veritable slug fest where someone gets their feelers hurt, their panties in a bunch and their socks in a wad. Don't make me use my moderator powers on this one

As has already been said, the difference between to two is more between the ears of the current owner/shooter.

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Old 03-29-2013, 04:13 PM
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With equal barrel lengths, there is no real difference. 7 Mags tend to have 26" barrels and 06s generally have 22" ones. So yes, with a 26" tube, the 7 Rem Mag can be made to shoot a bit flatter than the typical .30-06. It's just a matter of whether or not you want to carry the extra weight and length for that marginal trajectory improvement.
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Old 03-29-2013, 06:07 PM
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Just curious, have you thought about the 7mm WSM ? The 7nn WSM will produce a little more muzzle velocity and muzzle energy than the 7mm Rem mag and the 7mm Short Action Ultra Mag based on all the factory loads for all 3 cartridges from whoever loads for them. The 7mm WSM will get you full performance on a short action and a 24 inch barrel where the 7mm Rem mag needs a LA and a 26 inch barrel to get you up to full potential. There's the inherent accuracy of a 308 length action. Browning, Mossberg, Winchester, and I think Howa ( although not positive about the Howa ) chamber for it .
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I currently hunt Elk with the 30-06. I hunt in an area where 400-600yd shots can be necessary from one ridge to the other,I will not shoot over 400yds with the 06 and don't personally feel like I want to shoot anything over 600yds, that may seem far to some and not too far for those who like the 1000yd shots, but those are my limits on what I feel I can effectivly harvest. Have heard many good things about the 7mm and the 300 win mag. wanting to get something with punch out that far if needed. Leaning strongly towards the 338 win mag, but want to be sure before I spring for it!
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