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Old 06-08-2013, 07:12 PM
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Weatherby, Browning, or Baretta?


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Im looking for a new rifle and have narrowed my caliber down to a 270 WSM. Now im debating on the gun. My decision is between a Weatherby Vanguard Series 2 sporter, a Browning X-Bolt Hunter, or a Tikka T3 Lite. The Weatherby and Browning have a wooden stock and the Tikka is synthetic. Both the Weatherby and Tikka have a 24" barrel but the Browning is 23". All three look to be quality rifles, unfortunately I have never owned a Browning, Barreta, or Weatherby rifle so I don't know which is better or the qualities each hold. Any suggestions or advice would be appreciated.

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Old 06-08-2013, 07:33 PM
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I own 2 X-Bolts, a Medallion and Varmint. They both shoot sub-moa. The fit and finish on both is excellent. There is no way I would give either one up for a T3 or Vanguard. so guess which one I choose.

In the end, they will all shoot good. Pick which one you like the best and buy it and shoot it.

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Old 06-09-2013, 12:42 AM
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I have one of the Weatherby S2's in 25-06 and it will shoot sub-moa 5 shot groups with factory ammo, I have the synthetic version though. The new matte finish they put on these guns I think looks great, and the 2 stage match trigger is the best trigger I've pulled on a out of the box gun, it's just a great trigger you can adjust. Zero creep, zero creep, the first stage is at .8oz or so and it comes from the factory at either 2.5lbs or 3lbs pull, I forgot, . Anyway that's my 2 cent's. On the Weatherby is there one in stock you've seen, the reason I ask is they stopped chambering the WSM's last year or after last year, I think last year though. Best to ya !!
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:36 PM
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Yeah I realized that they stopped producing them but I have found one aavailable In a pawn shop.
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:12 PM
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I have all three rifles in different calibers-all three are excellent rifles, you can't make a bad choice. I think it comes down to handling all of them and see what fits you best.
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I don't think you can make bad choice from the rifles you listed. Just get the one that looks and feels "Right" to you.
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Now if rifle accuracy is a concern, I sure would take a hard look at the SAVAGE brand of rifle's too!
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:38 AM
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Now if rifle accuracy is a concern, I sure would take a hard look at the SAVAGE brand of rifle's too!
Are you insinuating that none of the rifles listed are accurate? If that is not what you are saying, then please explain your statement better.

All the listed rifles are very accurate and any difference between them and your Savage would be the person pulling the trigger.
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:54 PM
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The answer is simple.

I had this problem once & just bought one of each item on my list --- then sold the ones that didn't feel right.
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:09 PM
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Weatherby, Browning or Tikka

I have fired and worked with all three rifles. IMHO, I'd go with the Weatherby. The Browning's shoot sweet but their supersoft receivers may become a problem down the road. The Tikka's are a nice, inexpensive but accurate rifle, but certainly third in quality on this list. I've yet to find a Weatherby with which I wasn't happy!
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I have never heard anything about a Browning having a super soft receiver.
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Super soft receiver, yes I'd be interested to hear more.

Now, won't cast stones at the three rifles listed, would question the caliber, but I will say to take a good looooong look down the barrel of any rifle of interest!

Did have a Browning A-bolt, the smoothest rifle action of any rifle I'd ever had, but the barrel looked like it had been rifled with a threading tap. How it ever made it past quality control, I have no idea.

The rifle would never give consistent or good groups and after I missed a doable shot it went down the road. My fault or the rifles, I don't know but I have to know that a missed shot was my problem and not a rifle of questionable quality

The replacement is a RUGER Hawkeye with a beautiful barrel that not only chronographs faster with a 2" shorter barrel, but shoots circles around the A-bolt.

LOOK AT THOSE BARRELS!

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I have never owned a Browning but have heard they are very good guns. I have owned Tikka and Savage and Ruger and Weatherby. I think the Tikka shoot well but something about them just did not feel right which of course is subjective. For use on a Deer at ranges typical in PA any of them is going to be accurate enough to be effective as long as it was built properly. I did have a Savage that shot all over the place and had to be replaced under warranty which was done with very little hassle other than not having the gun for a while and having to set up the scope again.

But the absolute best shooting gun I have ever owned was a Weatherby that with factory loads shot with incredible accuracy. Now I am talking about 200 yards as being the longest shots taken at a range with the gun. Cycling the bolt felt very precise and solid. The gun I had is a bit on the older side and I have heard that the quality of the more recent guns is not as solid as they once were but given that barrel making technology has improved so much I have to think that the construction might have been cut back a bit, the barrels should be every bit as accurate as what I get with the older gun.

For my use any of them would be adequate so I tend to decide based upon how the gun feels and cycles and aspects of loading and unloading. I really like to be able to unload with the safety still engaged and I will not buy a hunting gun that does not lock the bolt down. I have a Remington where the bolt would open and sometimes eject the bullet if a branch hit it. My son did not get a shot at a nice buck because the bolt was open and he had spooked the deer when he went to close it.
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On the Brownings not shooting, I haven't seen that yet. Between two of my sons and myself we have five Browning A-Bolts and a BLR. Everyone of them are under MOA rifles. Guess every manufacturer lets a bad one slip by once in a while, but consider that the exception rather than the norm
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Weatherby, Browning or Tikka

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I have never owned a Browning but have heard they are very good guns. I have owned Tikka and Savage and Ruger and Weatherby. I think the Tikka shoot well but something about them just did not feel right which of course is subjective. For use on a Deer at ranges typical in PA any of them is going to be accurate enough to be effective as long as it was built properly. I did have a Savage that shot all over the place and had to be replaced under warranty which was done with very little hassle other than not having the gun for a while and having to set up the scope again.

But the absolute best shooting gun I have ever owned was a Weatherby that with factory loads shot with incredible accuracy. Now I am talking about 200 yards as being the longest shots taken at a range with the gun. Cycling the bolt felt very precise and solid. The gun I had is a bit on the older side and I have heard that the quality of the more recent guns is not as solid as they once were but given that barrel making technology has improved so much I have to think that the construction might have been cut back a bit, the barrels should be every bit as accurate as what I get with the older gun.

For my use any of them would be adequate so I tend to decide based upon how the gun feels and cycles and aspects of loading and unloading. I really like to be able to unload with the safety still engaged and I will not buy a hunting gun that does not lock the bolt down. I have a Remington where the bolt would open and sometimes eject the bullet if a branch hit it. My son did not get a shot at a nice buck because the bolt was open and he had spooked the deer when he went to close it.
I found the same situation with the Tikka. Didn't feel right, action was somewhat rough and I found the trigger inconsistent. Of course, you don't expect a silky smooth action and trigger on an inexpensive rifle.

I wrote several letters years ago to P. O. Ackley and Mr. Bellm, who worked with Ackley. At that time, the Browning stainless synthetic had come out and it was the rage! As my son wanted one in .338 Win Mag, I attempted to find out more about them. I still have the letter from Bellm who stated that their testing found the A-Bolt and subsequent Japanese-built Brownings had receivers of very soft steel - so soft that his shop and others with which he spoke would not change a barrel on those receivers as the potential for galling of the threads was extremely high. Obviously, the softer steel is easier on tooling and the Japanese could keep the cost down doing so. My son's Browning has always shot accurately, although some five years later we did have trigger problems. It took three gunsmiths to rectify the problem. I've shot many different Browning rifles over the years, and the only one I can honestly recommend is the FN made Browning Hi-Power Safari. Even the much discussed salt models are excellent rifles, barring a few surface finish issues.

That being said, the Brownings typically shoot well if the trigger continues to work properly. I've shot some excellent groups with Tikka, but IMO they finish third to the other two listed.

I've never known anyone unhappy with their Weatherby.
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CCA, I'd heard that about changing barrels on Brownings. Since I've never had reason to swap one yet, I don't have personal experience. However I'm curious, is the receiver soft enough the thread are deformed when originally installing the barrel or is it the glue used when putting them together?

With the possable exception of a 22-250 A-bolt there is a very small chance I'll ever shoot out the original barrel on any of mine.
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If you do a search on here you will find that Browning use a thread "glue" on their barrels which require heating to remove. Some gunsmiths have learned the trick to removing these barrels while others choose to blame the material for their lack of understanding the animal they are working with. Until someone does an actual materials test to compare data of the hardness of materials used in different manufacturers, I tend to not believe opinions. With that said, if you want a donor rifle to build a gun on, you will be best served with something like a rem 700 or savage. You will find people that have had bad and good experiences with every rifle. You will find more good experiences with the 3 you mention. That brings it to the most important thing, what fits you.
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CCA, I'd heard that about changing barrels on Brownings. Since I've never had reason to swap one yet, I don't have personal experience. However I'm curious, is the receiver soft enough the thread are deformed when originally installing the barrel or is it the glue used when putting them together?

With the possable exception of a 22-250 A-bolt there is a very small chance I'll ever shoot out the original barrel on any of mine.
That's pretty much what we decided with my son's .338 Win Mag - however, I'd be hard-pressed not to consider the opinions of experts such as Ackley and Bellm. I'm sure they understood the glue issue and I have every confidence that they would test the steel before calling it soft. They didn't give opinions subjectively. The trigger issue with the Browning was a surprise, otherwise it shot quite accurately. I'd still choose the Weatherby over the other two! And I'd choose an older (pre-1985) Remington 700 over all of them!
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The trigger issue with the Browning was a surprise, otherwise it shot quite accurately. I'd still choose the Weatherby over the other two! And I'd choose an older (pre-1985) Remington 700 over all of them!
Agree with you on the A -Bolt triggers, all but one I've had needed attention, and that one probably was worked before i aquired it.

I was looking for a used Vanguard or Howa in .223 for a walking varminter...ended up finding a good deal on a Browning A bolt hunter in 22-250.

Also agree with you on the earlier M700s... sweet rifles back then.
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has anything changed negatively on the Remington 700's since 1985?
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