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Old 01-27-2004, 06:59 PM
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223 WSSM or 220 Swift


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Anyone done any shooting with the 223 WSSM? How's the accuracy? It has identical ballistics to the 220 but are there any factors to make you lean one way or the other? I've always wanted a 220 Swift but with this new round I may lean towards it simply because I like the Model 70. But, that Ruger in 220 is sure appealing......
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Old 01-28-2004, 03:11 PM
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Can't go wrong with the winchesters! I haven't shot the the .223 yet but they say the case design makes them a little more accurate, which makes sense, if you look at a .22 or 6mm PPC they look very similar and the PPC's are what all the benchrest shooters are shooting.
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Listen to the wind--.204 Ruger?????

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For some reason, the .204 Ruger just doesn't do it for me. Don't know why, I'm sure it's a great round.
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Old 01-29-2004, 01:58 PM
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Anyone done any shooting with the 223 WSSM? How's the accuracy? It has identical ballistics to the 220 but are there any factors to make you lean one way or the other? I've always wanted a 220 Swift but with this new round I may lean towards it simply because I like the Model 70. But, that Ruger in 220 is sure appealing......
MAybe its my age but the .220 Swift still has more appeal to me than all of this fuss over the newer shorter rounds.

I have one Swift and still have about 10 boxes of 50 year old Western cartridges for it. Don't know if I'll ever shoot them, though. The gun is an old Model 70 Win with the steel tube Weaver K-10 scopes. Might be worth something some day
My next project will be putting a 26" 1-10" twist shilen barrel on a mauser action in .220 swift. The longer heavier bullets in the 75-80 grain range will be stable and, you can still get about 3850 FPS.
I think this would be a super rifle set up.

That's my ruling-
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Old 01-29-2004, 02:11 PM
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Tom,
That sounds like a great rifle in the making. If I could afford it, I would get a pre 64 winchester 220! I have always wanted a Swift, probably be the cartridge I go with.
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Old 01-29-2004, 03:22 PM
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Tom,
That sounds like a great rifle in the making. If I could afford it, I would get a pre 64 winchester 220! I have always wanted a Swift, probably be the cartridge I go with.
Well, I got the idea from all of the hype surounding the new .224tth that Texas Trophy Hunters has been pushing.
It's nothing that the Swift won't do.

You can type in .224 tth and bring up the info.
I don't think that those long bullets would ever be able to shot out of the short case.

Nothing against the new short calibers, I should have been born about 50 years earlier I quess because the 257 Roberts, 250/3000 Savage, the Swift, 300 H&H are all calibers that I have had, and I wish I still did. Good Luck, Tom
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220 vs 223wssm

I own a ruger m77 mk1 in 220swift and a #1 v the swift is a fine round and i refuse to let mine go ,when you consider the feed problems assosiated with wssm rounds and ppc rounds(thats why benchresters dont have the worries with them that a hunter does on push feed mechanisms) these fat little buggers jam.........so for identical ballistics i`ll go with the jam free 220 swift.
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New Swift's

Hi Guys, if you are thnking about getting a Swift, please check out the post about our limited run of Stainless Steel light barrel Remingtons on the other thread here about .220 Swifts. Thanks, Steve.
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Old 03-11-2004, 09:56 AM
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What`s a 224 tth?
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Old 03-11-2004, 11:30 AM
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6mm remington necked down to .22 ?

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I have heard that there are some problems with the 223 WSSM with throat erosion at as few as 400-600 rounds. I had thought about getting one until I heard that. I have a 220 Swift that I have had for about 20 years and have put a lot of rounds through it and it still shoots well. I'm looking hard at the .204
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Old 03-11-2004, 12:34 PM
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Lightbulb 22-243 Middlestead?

If you want lotsa' velocity and longer barrel life, you might wanta' have a look at the 22-243 Middlestead. You can get 4,000fps+ and good accuracy, but still able to shoot relatively heavy 80gr bullets if you wish...

If you go to X-Light Custom (Berger 30gr) bullets, you can top over 5,000fps!!

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"The following data was developed in a rifle build on the Hall BR action. The barrel was from Hart, stainless steel, # 6 and fluted. The chamber had a tight neck, of 0.246"

Federal 210M primers were used throughout our tests with the following loads. We also tried the Remington BR basic brass which came in 308 configuration and had a small primer pocket. We had to give up on that venture, as we had several rounds hang fire.

I think this is probably the largest 22-caliber case that can be used with currently available powders. We also tried a 6mm Remington necked down to 22-caliber, but were unable to get more velocity from it that this one. In fact, we found that to get roughly the same velocity – about 4000 fps – we had to use about 5.5 grains more of powder.

Looked at from a varminter’s point of view, this cartridge will give you about 100 fps more than the 220 Swift."
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Old 03-11-2004, 05:39 PM
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What`s a 224 tth?
The .224 TTH was hyped for a while by the boys at : WWW.TTHA.COM.
You might want to check their forum out.

Texas Trophy Hunters Assoc, talked up a .22 cal rifle that would stabilize the longer 68-85 grain bullets with a heavier jacket. Then shoot them out of a 26" barrel with a 1 in 7-8" twist.
It is nothing that the Swift won't do. I went to Shilen barrels and thought about doing the same thing. Before I was done, I switched to a custom 6mm barrel, and before I had buyers remorse, I switched again to a 7MM -08 on a 24" heavier barrel.
It shoots great. I love this gun, it shoots factory rounds into .6" at 100, but I still have the urge for a .22 that will
down a 300# hog!

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I was at the reloading bench the other month and just for the fun of it, I necked an empty .270 down to .243 and seated a 55gr ballistic silvertip on top...
...Oh the possibilities (actually i was thinking about calling it the .243 whizbangsuperkiller or the .243 kablooie.)
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Well, actually - jb,

That's basically a 6mm-06 that was tinkered with around 1955, or thereabouts.

A 55 gr Nosler BT with 61.7 gr of VVN550 will deliver 4360 fps and 2323 ME. How's that for fast?
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im quoting from hornady handbook 6th edition "we examined the throat of the rifle with a bore scope after apoximately 350 rnd.s and the erosion was significant.this cartridge is HARD on barrels".
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Old 02-25-2007, 09:51 AM
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I was at the reloading bench the other month and just for the fun of it, I necked an empty .270 down to .243 and seated a 55gr ballistic silvertip on top...
...Oh the possibilities (actually i was thinking about calling it the .243 whizbangsuperkiller or the .243 kablooie.)

As with the beforementioned .22/6mm and .22-243, I'd call it a whizbangthroatburner Or a .22 throatexcellerator:-)

Actually 6mm-06 and equivalent 6mm-284 wildcats have been around for some time. If you did it, I think long-throated heavy bullet options as some mentioned above with a 1-10" Swift would make more sense.
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Old 02-25-2007, 05:24 PM
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I am a fan of the .220 SWIFT. It was invented back in the 1930's and since that time they have made a lot of different calibers and a lot of wildcats trying to equal or maybe, just maybe do a little better that that OLD .220 Swift. Now then, take a look around and see how many of the others have survived the test of time. The steel in the barrels and the design of bullets are better. New and better powders. Go with a Swift. about all of the quirks that you might have pop up on you have already been worked out and a simple answer on what to do and you are in business. I like a 220 Swift well enough that a couple of years ago we met with Remington Arms and our Wholesale Dist. and worked up a special run of them to be made in Mod 700 Stainless Classic light barrel. We bought appx 1/2 of the entire run of 500 rifles. Still have people calling from time to time looking for one of them. They all sold long ago, but sometimes one of them turns up for sale.
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wow, this thread is an oldie
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