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Old 02-14-2004, 04:36 PM
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Does anyone know if their is a synthetic stock made for my Savage 340 in 30-30? Michael
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Old 02-14-2004, 06:00 PM
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Does anyone know if their is a synthetic stock made for my Savage 340 in 30-30? Michael
May be one of the few people who act\ually like the old 340's...but there isn't a synthetic stok avaialble to the best of my knowledge.

If it's busted, can help work your way though a solid fix, or even find replacements, but suspect you're just looking to change the one you have...and if I suspect right, it's frustration in wandering zero that has you looking for synthetics. Can walk you though a couple of bedding ideas that have worked on them to stablize the tendecy to wander point of impact like a lost puppy looking for home.
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Old 02-15-2004, 07:41 AM
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You are not the only one who likes the 340. My wife has a Stevens 325 in .30-30 with a 1.5-4.5x32 scope that will shoot 1" groups all day, any day. And my father willed her his Savage 340 in .30-30, that has shot many whitetails, and wears open sights. My first deer fell to the old Savage.
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Old 02-15-2004, 11:39 PM
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Bedding 340's

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Can walk you though a couple of bedding ideas that have worked on them to stablize the tendecy to wander point of impact....
Since I have two chambered in .225 I'd like to hear your pointers on bedding them.
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Old 02-16-2004, 04:45 AM
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Since I have two chambered in .225 I'd like to hear your pointers on bedding them.
Thanks.
Bill
The one I still have is also a .225 (340V)...personal opinion is that they never should have chambered this rifle in a round of that pressure and head size using a one-lug action. Does shoot cast bullets very well but only gets it's best groups (in my case) with loads that are in the .219Zipper class.

Got one rear screw that actually enters the bottom of the recoil washer (it's a pretty fat washer) and one on a barrel band inletted into the fore end.

Remove the action. Be sure the back of the recoil washer is in full contact with the stock...if not, a little work here to get it so. Put two layers of duct-tape in 1 1/4" pads on both sides of the fore end's barrel band inletting...don't interfer with the band's inletting. Bed the rear first...the barrel nut and about 1 1/2" ahead of it. DON'T TIGHTEN DOEN ON THE SCREW,,going for a neutral pressure at this time.

Once cured, take the action out, remove the tape pads, and lay in two pads of bedding to replace them. With careful work and an exacto-knife, can cut the tape pads in place, and use the 1/8" ends as "dams" to keep the bedding compound in place (makes a nice square finished look when you remove the "dams", but it's only a visual appeal). DO NOT draw the barrel band scew up, go for a neutral bed.

Once cured, go back over the action's contact with the stock...REMOVE contact. Want the action to be free to "wiggle". (baiscally, bedding the middle and letting the two ends do their thing).

With the neutral bedding, start tweaking in that front screw....1/2 turn at a test...a variable tension device. Will notice a trend...groups getting smaller, then getting alrger (and also notice they get higher on the target). once you've got the "sweet spot" located, work in 1/8" or 1/4" turns arround it. Barrel is still somewhat free to expand and slide through the band, it's just supplying tension.

Probably will find long throats in this chambering of the 340...belive they were put there to help reduce pressure a bit, but they don't do a world of good for accuracy. Has shot it's best with the longer bullets, but the 1:14 twist won't allow the real-long ones. The 63 sierra has been the best compromise between length and the 1:14 twist (with the 70gr. Speer coming in a close second).

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Old 02-16-2004, 12:54 PM
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The one I still have is also a .225 (340V)...personal opinion is that they never should have chambered this rifle in a round of that pressure and head size using a one-lug action. Does shoot cast bullets very well but only gets it's best groups (in my case) with loads that are in the .219Zipper class.
Thank you very much. I've been wanting to try my hand at bedding and wanted to experiment with one of these 340 so if I mess up it won't be a great loss.

I've often wondered about that single lug too. When I first began handloading for it I accidently made some hot loads, the bolt hand had to be pounded on with my palm to get it to open. So I guess they're strong enough. By the way, after a couple of those rounds I disassembled them.

I've found 55gr bullets work pretty good in mine. I use surplus fmj's for target shooting and Speer SP's for varmint. When I was pre-teen I watched my brother shoot a woodchuck at about 100 yards with factory loads. That must have been around '69. He showed me that the bullet entered and then exploded with fragment exit holes. He said the bullet traveled so fast that if it were to hit a strand of straw that it would disintegrate. Since then it's only killed a fox, I shot it with one of my handloads.

I now load it with 35.5gr of W760 and WLR primers. This produces a little over 3300 fps. Not as fast as say a 22-250 but it does what it's suppose to. The kids like to shoot it because it doesn't have much recoil.

One of these days I'm going to put better scopes on them, that may also help improve there accuracy. I've had the triggers tuned. Gunsmith didn't like tuning them. I read a joke one time that said if you want to upset your gunsmith bring him a 340 to tune the trigger.

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Bill
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Old 02-16-2004, 03:02 PM
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Still have some of the factory loads, but most of the .225 shooting comes in three flavors.

Reformed 30-30 cases: Cast bullet (lyman #225415) over 5gr. of Red Dot for 1570fps.

Refomred 30-30 cases: 55gr. Mil.Spec. FMJ over 8gr of Red Dot for 2045fps

.225 cases: 63 Sierra SMP over 28.5gr. of 4064 for just at 3000fps.

Sitll have the old Weaver K10 on top and won't be changing it any time soon...that odd mount makes finding a modern short body scope that will fit a bit difficult. Mount is ugly, but it hjasn't doon anything foolish in the years I've owned it; we've come to a live and let live understanding.

Doesn't get out in 'anger' all that often...has a role as my indoor off-hand gun using load #1 above. Weather really bad or the range flooded, will shoot that load on an indoor range from standing...WANT the long barrel time and not too great trigger; if you can shoot well with those things against you, shooting the finely tuned rifles seems easier.
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Old 02-16-2004, 10:04 PM
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Still have some of the factory loads, but most of the .225 shooting comes in three flavors.
>I've got some factory loads too, but I keep them as conversations pieces.
>Interesting loads you've got. I see you're like me in that we're not out to see how fast we can push them or try to compete with 22-250's.
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Sitll have the old Weaver K10 on top and won't be changing it any time soon...that odd mount makes finding a modern short body scope that will fit a bit difficult. Mount is ugly, but it hjasn't doon anything foolish in the years I've owned it; we've come to a live and let live understanding.
>Your ol' Weaver is better than what I got on mine; one broken Tasco 3-9x40 that won't adjust for windage and a Tasco fixed 4x that's OK but not up to par for what the rifle needs. When I bought the second set of mounts for the second rifle I had forgotten which ring set up I had gotten and purchased the long ones, still have it, but had to go back and get the short ones to get the scope to fit. Eventually both with have 3-9x40's that are clear and adjust. Those mounts aren't very conventional but being an engineer I find them intriguing, like modern art..
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Doesn't get out in 'anger' all that often...has a role as my indoor off-hand gun using load #1 above. Weather really bad or the range flooded, will shoot that load on an indoor range from standing...WANT the long barrel time and not too great trigger; if you can shoot well with those things against you, shooting the finely tuned rifles seems easier.
>I had written something after my comment about the fox but deleted it before posting. I had written; "That was one of my more regretable killings." That fox wasn't doing me no harm and I really felt bad about it, still do. I wanted to see how well the bullet would perform, lame reason. This past deer season I sat and watched a fox play for about a half hour. My dog was sleeping next to me and never knew it was there, or he'd of run it off. I found watching it much more enjoyable/entertaining than shooting it. Unless there is a justifiable reason I'll probably never shoot another. I will shoot coyotes though, with no remorse. I sure wish we had woodchucks out here.
>Your right about being a good shot if you can place them slow movers with that trigger. I'm impressed. I don't cast but I see you push those fmj's pretty slow too. I try to keep them and the soft points at or close to the same point of impact. I've never tried the heavy .224's either.
Bill

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Old 02-16-2004, 10:31 PM
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Savage 840

Is the Savage 340 any thing like the Savage 840? Just love ours.
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:49 AM
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Is the Savage 340 any thing like the Savage 840? Just love ours.
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There's someone on Savageshooters asking about an 840 too. I've never heard of an 840. The reply there is that an 840 is a shotgun.
Are you sure the 8 isn't or wasn't a 3 that may have been altered or mis-stamped?
IIRC Stevens made them before Savage and they may have had a different model number. I'll see what I can find on that.

Found it: "The 340 was a design that Savage kept when they aquired/merged/integrated with Stevens in 1947. Stevens had been marketing the design as their mod. 325 for quite a few years prior to Savage entering the picture."
I had copied this from a thread on talk.shooters.com before it went off to cyberspace. Credit to RAM2.

Still no reference to an 840 rifle though.
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Old 02-17-2004, 04:39 AM
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Leon:
Don't know the 840...but Savage made a lot of guns for Sears, Western Auto, Montgomenry Wards, and other house-brands...would stamp whatever the company wanted on them if they ordered enough.

Mr. Bill:
Got hooked on the .225 with a Winchester 70V...that rifle would certainly shoot well with factory or reloads pushing the 22/250 envelope. Good times sitting behind a 12x Lyman Targetspot and listing to the "plop" of a hit echo back from the distance.

The 340's all seem to be differnt critters...not really happy at the pressure of this round.

Not having pressure equipment, have to be a little "guess" in this. At about 40,000cup they seem to good accuracy and reload just fine. Someplace close to 48K, odd things start to happen...and by full factory load equvalent, it's the reloads that give you fits.

Factory loads shoot well (and so so factory load equivalents in NEW brass) but I can't get reloads in once fired cases to equal....get hard chamber on some, easy on others, and lots of variations in between.

Took awhile, but evnetually prooved that after 45-48,ooo (estimated) pressue, the cases heads were becoming "angled". Could run them true and read the warpage/angle with a dial indicator.

Caes shot at less pressure still read more-or-lead ture...the higher the pressure, the more untrue.

Believe that the action flexes a bit...and with one locking lug (think of the bolt handle as a wishful safety lug, but doubt it would actually ofer much safety) the action seems to flex more on one side than the other....brass sets back and conforms.

Far as I can measure, the bolt is true to the barrel at reast or under minorn strain, so I don't believe it's a matter of an angled breech so much as a breech that gets angled once a limit is passed.

They never did offer anything of that pressure and head size on these actions again...and only offered this round for a couple of years.
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Old 02-17-2004, 08:42 AM
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Is the Savage 340 any thing like the Savage 840? Just love ours.
Leon
Well blow me down, several of us are learning something new today. There is a Savage 840 and several of us are curious about it. Take a look:

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=15864133

I'd sure like to see a close up of the receiver area from several angles. Leon, If you have a digital camera could you take a couple and post them or email them to me.

I'm curious what 840 the trigger is like, possibly better than the 340. The other person that has one hasn't made any comment about the trigger either. I'm wondering if it could've been a cross between the 340 and say the 110.

I've always wanted an original model 70 chambered in .225. But, with two 340's in that chamber I can't justify another. Maybe I could if the price was real good. I've only seen one at a gun show and the other that I saw for sale on the internet sold in a day.
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Except for the shape of that trigger, it sure looks 340ish to me...may be some internal differnces, but for the outside only the trigger and magazine look a bit different.

Way back, there was a run of 340's in .222 that somehow got the 1:16 twist barrels. Don't know if they were ordered that way or if Savage just used .22hornet barrel blanks to make them but I though they were modtly sold through Montgomery Ward....could this be such a critter?

When I bought that 70V, people were still missing the pre-64 Winchesters...got to admit, the early ones did take free floating a bit far...had to be an easy 1/8" gap on both sides of that barrel They have an odd angled magazine box to keep the semi-rims from over lapping, but other than that, nothing unique in its make-up.

Believe WW put their best foot forward with those first year's factory rounds...guess trying to get varminters to accept the new round, they put some serious work in getting the factory loads right. As the round grew less and less popular, the later runs were no better or worse than any other factory load...but the first runs were fine ammo.
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