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Old 07-06-2011, 02:45 PM
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remington thunderbolts and my savage .22 rifle


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I have used remington thunderbolts all my life. But for some reason in my savage .22 bolt action rifle sometimes it will not feed into the chanber and when I feed it sometimes and i can feel it wont go it, I try to move the bolt back to extract the shell but it will not come out. It sometimes get stuck so well that even when i put the bolt on it again to try to grab it, it still lets go of the shell so i have to use a cleaning rod to put it out and i hate it. expecially when im trying to unload my gun.
has anyone ever had these problems before? i can remember having a problem like this with a copper bullet either, just the lead thunderbolts so far.
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:09 PM
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I've not owned a rifle in my lifetime that has shot Remington "thunderbolts" well twpbaseball10.

Other than thier CB shorts, I have no time for thier rimfire ammunition. Don't see Remington ammunition on the shelves much anymore local. Fine with me.

Federal seems to make the best rimfire stuff for my firearms. Evan the bulk-pack crap is better than thunderbolts.

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Old 07-06-2011, 06:38 PM
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Have you tried anything else lately? It may just be that the extractor is sticking and not getting a good bite on the rim. Try cleaning the bolt thoroughly and see if that helps.

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Old 07-07-2011, 10:55 AM
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yea i have used some faderal bulk ammo as well and havent had any exrtacting problems so far. the only problem is I get a LOT of miss fires with the federal for some reason and never had any with the thunderbolts. but it still may be the way to go. I think my best bet is to go with any copper .22 ammo
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Old 07-24-2011, 08:27 AM
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I'm with Cheesy ...

I don't much care for Remington and it wouldn't bother me if it went away.

Wife got a new Savage FV, Got a box of Thunderbolts to see if Remington ammo had improved over the past 4 decades or so. It hasn't. Way back when, the RO bought a couple of bricks because the supplier was out of our regular ammo. There was around half a brick left after practice, same half a brick was there at the end of season. Garbage.

Thirty something years later I bought Remington CeeBee LR and Thunderbolts, glad Savage put gas ports in the MKII. Both these rounds had excessive blowby (and the CeeBees had a few misfires). I can understand the CeeBees not making enough pressure to seal but not the Thunderbolts. The Thunderbolts also had allot of "thuds" (Years ago the target ammo also had allot of KA-POWs. Garbage).

The only extraction issues with this MKII are with CCI Stingers. About 100% extraction failure with unfired rounds and ~20% with fired brass. Unfired requires a tool to remove, fired usually takes another cycling of the bolt.

The only other ammo used so far is Federal Lightning. Seems to work well enough, no misfires, extraction or blowby issues.
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Old 07-24-2011, 03:22 PM
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Yea I am such a big Remington fan for everything except the thunderbolts. I use some of there other copper plated .22 ammo that was pretty good but I used to just get the thunderbolts because they were good for my wallet
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Old 07-25-2011, 04:49 AM
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My Marlin's shoot Rem Yellow Jacket pretty good. Almost the same accuracy as CCI Mini-Mags. It doesn't cost that much more than lesser quality stuff & avoids the aggravation. Plinking & target shooting is supposed to be fun not frustrating.
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Old 07-25-2011, 05:11 PM
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Yea I have very good results with the yellow jackets. The thunderbolts never gave me a problem with my auto 22 s only with my one bolt gun
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:11 PM
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Even the Blazer works better than the trnderbolts...I recently bought a few cases of the Blazer black and silver loose pack boxes for $129.99 shipped, great shooting stuff. Noticed it went up to $169.99 about a week after I ordered...at least they are paying the shipping.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:42 PM
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My grandson won a 22 Crickett at a Whitetails Unlimited banquet.When we took it out to shoot it, had a box of Thunderbolts and some CCI's.Just about everyone of the Thunderbolts had some blowby,the CCI's were fine.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:52 PM
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I've been shooting Remington Thunderbolts in both my S&W M&P 22 Pistol as well as my S&W M&P 15-22 Rifle, mainly for the cost. The stuff seems pretty dirty, but I've not had any feeding issues in either.

The only thing I've seen with these are failure to fire. In both cases the strikes are plenty good, so my take is the ammo. My running average (after a few thousand rounds) is just under 1% (about 1/100). It comes in waves though... The last few sessions went great with no failures at all. Then my last session ended up with 3 duds (2 from the same magazine!).
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Old 12-16-2012, 03:10 PM
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I have my best luck out of the Federal bulk 22lr ammo. Very clean and consistent at a reasonable price.
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I have used remington thunderbolts all my life.
You're new at this?

Just kidding.

I do believe it's the worst of the Remington ammo, Cyclone might be worse. It's degrading with time. Not kidding.

These days I buy rimfire ammo for myself and both daughters. We shoot rifles and handguns. At the moment we've had the best luck with, and stocked up on Federal Bulk for informal plinking. Most reliable and accurate. When we run out, we'll try some more, and if it stays good, we'll grab another couple thousand. If not, we'll sample and try something else.

For serious hunting and shooting, our collection shoots best with loads from Federal, Winchester, and CCI. Of course each set of firearms has a distinct preference, never all the same, but that's always been the case. I never noticed until I started using a scope, and when very accurate quality rimfires and 10/22 rebuilds became a fashion, guns could easily find the difference between 1/2" quality and 2" quality.
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You're new at this?

Just kidding.

I do believe it's the worst of the Remington ammo, Cyclone might be worse. It's degrading with time. Not kidding.

These days I buy rimfire ammo for myself and both daughters. We shoot rifles and handguns. At the moment we've had the best luck with, and stocked up on Federal Bulk for informal plinking. Most reliable and accurate. When we run out, we'll try some more, and if it stays good, we'll grab another couple thousand. If not, we'll sample and try something else.

For serious hunting and shooting, our collection shoots best with loads from Federal, Winchester, and CCI. Of course each set of firearms has a distinct preference, never all the same, but that's always been the case. I never noticed until I started using a scope, and when very accurate quality rimfires and 10/22 rebuilds became a fashion, guns could easily find the difference between 1/2" quality and 2" quality.
I both agree and disagree with you here. Ammo is degrading with time. It is easily observed by comparing it's accuracy and reliability to ammo from 10-15 years ago even.

But....... I personally love Cyclones. I bought some in brick form 5-6 years ago at a Gander Mtn that had a great sale price on it, and then just set it in the ammo cabinet for a few years. A couple years ago I decided to start shooting some of it up when comparing multiple brands of ammo in my .22 rifles at 50 yards.

My Remington 541T std bbl will place 10 rounds of Cyclone into less than an inch all day long at 50 yards regardless of the wind or weather, with most groups going into right at half that. A couple of my other guns really like them as well, including my 94/22 XTR. Remington Yellow Jackets aren't supposed to be all that accurate either, but a couple of my guns do some of their best work with it. My Rem 597 also does some of its best work with Cyclones. Thunderbolts are another story (except in my new Colt GC 1911, where they do very well).

What I have found to be holding true right up through the present, is that any of the bulk packaged .22 ammo made these days will not deliver anywhere near the level of accuracy or consistency as will the same exact ammo when bough in a brick form of packaging. I don't know exactly why (I have my suspicions, but that's all they are), but I have been able to repeat the findings over and over. To me it is worth the added expense of buying in bricks to get better quality.
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I both agree and disagree with you here.
That's what forums are for.

I'm actually in the middle of an exercise, comparing bulk ammo, and ways to improve the net performance. I'm using a rim gauge, a Chrony, and a digital scale. I wish I could find a tool for measuring OD on the bullet that was faster than a caliper.

Just so happens I have two bricks of Thunderbolt from 2002, I date ammo coming in the door. I initially purchased it as part of a 5000rd case. It shot reasonably well in my stock 10/22, and most of it was used to reduce clay birds to clay dust, and offhand shooting at a metal plate at 75-100yds.

Comparing it mechanically to a recent purchase of two 525 boxes of TBolt was an eye opener. Variations in rim thickness, weight, and FTF was much greater than the 2002 version. In short, the new stuff is just plain horrible. But it's not all horrible. If you sort for rim thickness, and batch by that criteria, some of it is actually quite good, (10shots/0.75"/50yds). It shoots fine in my 77/22 VBZ, and my 10/22 build with a Green Mountain barrel and TI trigger set.

Now the odd/interesting thing I've seen so far, is that the thinner end of the rim thickness is by far the most accurate, with the thicker rims the poorest. The thickest rims have the poorest accuracy, 4.0"+, from a bench, and are virtually all of the "fail to eject" and FTF rounds in my handguns. If I owned a single gun, I'd attribute that to headspace or low hammer energy/speed, we have eight in the safes.

But I'm writing it all down, tracking accuracy and failures, and comparing velocities on my Chrony. I have bulk from Remington, Federal, Winchester, and CCI, current manufacture, 1000+ rounds of each.

.22 ammo these days is a crap shoot, and as almost every round out there is on backorder, it's not likely to improve much, soon. By the brick is the best if you can find it.
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Obviously we agree for the most part, even for having ANY luck with TB's of late except as noted. As you noted though (and as I did too in my post) it is with the more recent stuff that the troubles have been appearing so much. The earlier stuff was always a hit and miss deal for me regarding TB's.

I started to really notice the downgrade in QC following the first obama scare of '08 which sent everyone scrambling to buy as much of anything and everything shooting related as they could to stock up before his expected gun grab (which as we all know didn't happen then, but is gonna happen now if they can swing it, and it appears they can), so I expect ammo to continue to get worse if you can even find any. It seemed to me that once all the ammo flew off the shelves, the manu's were just trying to keep up and let all semblance of QC go flying out the window where bulk packaged ammo was concerned (which was/is what they make the most of since that is what sold/sells the most by far). I would have thought by now they would have tried to tighten it back up some, but so far it doesn't appear to be happening much, if at all.



I have measured the rims on several different brands of ammo, and there is quite a range of thickness between them. I am interested in your testing and its outcome(s). I hope you keep us posted here.
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I have measured the rims on several different brands of ammo, and there is quite a range of thickness between them. I am interested in your testing and its outcome(s). I hope you keep us posted here.
I was going to post it on a couple forums I've spent time on, my main purpose was to see if I could get more out of the money I spend

I'm using Excel to do the data analysis, and will track accuracy, velocity and failure rate as responses. It's actually almost as interesting as handloading, and I've tried to put enough structure and hopefully controls in the effort to make it useful. I have four shooters, with six rifles, and four handguns. And I'll need almost 1000rds to get the numbers.
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Looking forward to it. I agree, this type of stuff is very interesting, especially for serious shooters who want the most bang for their buck. It is kinda like handloading for rimfires.
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There is one very unique aspect about the thunderbolt that makes it unique compared to all
other 22 rimfire ammo. The Thunderbolt is the deepest penetrating bullet of all long rifle
cartridges due to the fact that the lead is very hard and does not deform. When shot into
newspaper or wood planks etc or the skull of a black bear, it will penetrate deeper than
any of the other long rifle ammo. Surprising but true. Just remember that if you are stuck
up in a tree with a bear after you.... load your thunderbolts into the rifle.
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The Thunderbolt is the deepest penetrating bullet of all long rifle
cartridges due to the fact that the lead is very hard and does not deform. When shot into
newspaper or wood planks etc or the skull of a black bear, it will penetrate deeper than
any of the other long rifle ammo.
When they go off.
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