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Old 01-22-2009, 10:08 AM
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S&W 22A vs Ruger MkIII


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I recently purchased a Smith 22A 22 pistol. I like it well enough, but truth be told, I'm thinking the Ruger MkIII 22/45 might be a better choice for target shooting. The Ruger seems to have tighter fit and finish. I'm considering trading in the Smith for it. Anyone have opinions on how these two stack up against each other on accuracy?

I definitely like the Ruger's trigger better. If I keep the Smith, I've got to get something done about the trigger...
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:34 PM
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The Ruger target models were actually designed for target shooting where the Smith 22 was designed for a plinker. Even then aftermarket triggers for the Ruger make a huge difference. I've a Ruger MKII that has Clarks trigger and sear in it and the difference is like night and day and I've competed with a Ruger target auto for years before I retired.

There are smiths that can work over your Smith for a better trigger pull. Check with Clark Gunsmithing for one. You'll notice there is a trigger stop on the trigger on this one. This trigger breaks at about 2 pounds and is crisp and light. I shoot it either with an aimpoint 5000 or open sights as shown.

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Old 01-22-2009, 06:35 PM
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I recently purchased a Smith 22A 22 pistol. I like it well enough, but truth be told, I'm thinking the Ruger MkIII 22/45 might be a better choice for target shooting. The Ruger seems to have tighter fit and finish.
I definitely like the Ruger's trigger better. If I keep the Smith, I've got to get something done about the trigger...
Keep the Smith for plinkin and get the Ruger for target shootin. I own both a 22a and a Mark 2. Both function well, both feed all types of ammo, but the sites are night and day between the two. Both are worth their price, IMO.
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Keep the Smith for plinkin and get the Ruger for target shootin. I own both a 22a and a Mark 2. Both function well, both feed all types of ammo, but the sites are night and day between the two. Both are worth their price, IMO.
I've considered that, I'm just not sure I can afford to buy the Ruger outright without trading the Smith on it. Seems to me I could use the Ruger for plinking too.
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Old 01-23-2009, 04:56 AM
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I don't believe in trading or selling my guns. I do have a couple of Ruger MK II and MK IIIs. They all have VQ sears and Marvel triggers. Much better than factory stock. I also put VQ rear sights on them. The VQ rear sight is a Bomar clone and gives me a better sight picture than the Ruger sight.
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:48 AM
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In my opinion there is no comparison between the S&W 22 A and the Ruger MK series. Even if there were no aftermarket parts available for the Ruger it would still be my one and only choice.

Yes I have had both, but currently only own Rugers.



The Ruger in the above photo has the following parts added:

Hogue Rubber 1911 Grips

Ed Brown Custom Stainless-Steel 1911 Grip Screws and Grip Screw Bushings

Clark Custom Guns Trigger (fitted to this grip frame)

Volquartsen Custom Target Sear

HiViz Fiber Optic Front Sight / Ruger V Notch Rear Sight

Hand polished the factory Hammer, plus a bushing kit to eliminate the Magazine Disconnector Safety

Yes the Grip Frame had to be modified to fit the 1911 grips on it. It is a fairly simple job once the molded in rasied portion of the original grip frame is machined down flat with the rest of the grip frame. Then it is a matter of drilling 4 holes to install the grip screw bushings into. Once modified any 1911 grips will fit on the Ruger.

This is my all time favorite Handgun.When I decided to put this little Ruger together I wanted a Handgun that would feel the same as my Kimber Model BP TEN II 1911 .45 ACP and it does that. I also wanted to keep this Ruger with Open Sights, but make it more shootable for my eyes when out hunting so it would pack in a holster quite easily, and it does that also.

A local gunsmith tried and tried to do a trigger job on a S&W 22A last winter while I was at his shop. Yes he did get the trigger better, but said it was a real chore and no where near as good as the trigger on my Ruger MKIII 22/45. This gunsmith had been at my house when I did the trigger modifications to the Ruger in the above photo and after he finsihed working on the S&W 22A he told the guy to trade it off and go buy a Ruger as in his opinion the Ruger is a much better built gun.

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Old 01-23-2009, 08:14 AM
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Hey that's pretty neat with the 1911 stocks. Consider taking a few close-up pictures of the gun and writing it up?

One of the things that I don't like about the Mark III guns is the ugly grip frames.... you have nicely solved that problem! I may have to get one and put a set of mesquite stocks on it...
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Forgive me for adding another dimension here...............why not also consider an older High Standard "Trophy", preferably one manufactured in the Hamden, Ct. plant.

These were true "right out of the box" target pistols that were given a lot of personal inspection and attention to detail before the inspectors would let them go out the door. Frankly, most of the modern manufacturered pistols need to have after market gunsmithing in order to perform as well as the Hamden High Standard pistols.
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:45 PM
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Even if you can find one of the old High Standards, they are going for $800+ and still can't even beat a new Ruger, plus, good luck getting parts for them.

I paid $365 for my MKIII 22/45 with a 6 7/8" bull fluted stainless barrel. Ruger makes several models of the MKIII, and they start around $250.
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I have owned numerous 22 semi auto pistols and IMHO, you can't beat the Rugers for quality and dependability at a fair price. Just my $.02 worth.
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Even if you can find one of the old High Standards, they are going for $800+ and still can't even beat a new Ruger, plus, good luck getting parts for them.

I paid $365 for my MKIII 22/45 with a 6 7/8" bull fluted stainless barrel. Ruger makes several models of the MKIII, and they start around $250.
You need to let the sporting goods stores around here know that. The cheapest one I could find was $330, and that was the model with the short fluted barrel. The MkIII 22/45 stainless bull barrel models are bringing about $500.
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I don't believe in trading or selling my guns. I do have a couple of Ruger MK II and MK IIIs. They all have VQ sears and Marvel triggers. Much better than factory stock. I also put VQ rear sights on them. The VQ rear sight is a Bomar clone and gives me a better sight picture than the Ruger sight.
I believe I'm going to take your advice. I'm just going to wait a while until I can buy the Ruger outright. Then I shall have both
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Here's the standard:

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/d...px?item=MKIII6

and target:
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/d...?item=MKIII678

You'll have to input your zip code to see local dealers and their prices.
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Old 01-23-2009, 07:33 PM
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You cant go wrong with a Ruger pistol.A few of my buddies and myself shoot them often.A couple of us have the competition slab side which will shoot as well as rifles at 50yrds.
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Here's mine:

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Having owned both, I'd say the main difference is weight, the steel framed Rugers are much heavier than the alloy framed 22A. I got the 22A because with a 7" barrel it was till lighter than the Ruger standard model with 4 3/4" barrel. I also like the fact that the 22A comes factory ready to mount a scope or red dot.
Now all of that applies to a field gun. For bullseye target competition I would take the Ruger, so, in my opinion, you do need both.
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I would also think about Ruger MkII. MkIII has its mag release button so that i always press it accidentally. Im sure that is something which depends on size and shape of your hand.
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Also, if weight is a consideration, the 22/45 is polymer framed. I personally prefer the regular steel framed MKIII though - I just picked up a 5 1/2" Slab Side stainless competition target model.
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I own a 22A and a MKII standard (the 50th anniversary one). IMO, these two pistols are very comparable because they are both the 'standard' or 'base' models, and because their purchase prices were very closely comparable.

They are very different machines. The Smith's barrel finish (black paint) is far less durable than the Ruger's deep bluing. The Ruger would jam regularly until I'd shot it quite a lot, whereas the Smith has not failed on me. The Ruger will still get dirty and jam on me much sooner than the Smith (meaning during a shooting session, not over the course of months of neglect), even though I've shot a bunch of ammo through it. Cleaning it solves the issue until it gets dirty again.
It's been freezing cold here for months, but I don't recall having a favorite between the two re: the triggers.
They feel very, very different in the hand. My MKII is the 'standard,' Luger-angle grip and it's all steel w/light barrel. My Smith is a polymer frame and heavy barrel w/top rail. It's much more muzzle-heavy than the Ruger. They point very differently and feel very different. I do like the rubber grip on my Smith, though the grip is quite large for a 22 rimfire.
Because of the different balance of the two, the Smith is much, much easier for me to hold the barrel still for accurate shooting. I prefer the balance of the Ruger, though, for general shooting and plinking.
The Smith's sights are fully screw-adjustable. The Ruger's are not, though you can drift the rear for windage. REMEMBER: I'm comparing the standard models of each because that's what I have and their prices were very comparable. Adjustable sights are available on other variants from Ruger.
The Ruger is much more difficult to disassemble and reassemble until it's been done several times. Now, my Ruger's barrel assembly will come off and go back on much more easily. It's still more complicated to assemble, and I still don't like having to hit the muzzle of any gun to disassemble it, despite using a rubber mallet or block of wood.

YMMV
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