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Old 12-04-2004, 04:26 PM
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The .22 smoothbore is back!


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Gentlemen:

Having problems with rats in the corncrib, mice in the barn or snakes in suburbia, then maybe you need:

http://www.remington.com/firearms/rimfire/572_sb.htm

It has has been a long time since Gig Green had a .22 smoothbore in the line-up. What you think of the Mdl. 572 rat shot gun, should it stay in the line?

How about sharing your experiences with .22 smoothbores?

Ralph

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Old 12-04-2004, 04:30 PM
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I've tried to shoot some .22 shot shells from rifles, pistols and smoothbores. I've never personally found them effective just doesn't seem like theres enought shot to do any damage.
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Old 12-04-2004, 05:33 PM
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Have used two made that way and one that became that way, one was an earlier version of that Remington and the other factory rifle a Remington bolt action single shot. They do fine work out to 10 or 12yards, really not more than that, but it overs a pretty good sized barn with ease. The plastic capsue CCI shot does pattern a tiny bit better, but it has less power than the old style crimp-cased loads. Many instances of the CCI loads bounching off a can where the crimped sheels would hole it.

It's not a 12ga. substitute...waht it will do is kill small crop raidng birds to about 10yards and snakes to about 8yards...that isn't far, but are few snakes that can strike 24feet. Test for power is simple: if it will hole both sides of a soft drink can, will generally go 3/4 to all the way through black bird sized bird or kill a copperhead.

Makes a good afternoon busting tossed targets.

Rifled barrels ans rat-shot make for wide patterns very quickly...usualkly kind of do-nut shaped as the shot is slug by the rifling twist so you get the thinned part of the apttern just where you aim. Smooth bore does shoot tighter patterns and has the best collection of shot in the center.

Now the bolt action...that was a surprise. Brother in law calls me complaining that he can't sight in the .22 he bought at a garage sale. So i come over and take a look. Embarrassed to say, with the scope he had on top, it took me a good long while to notice that the sights consisted of a bead front and no rear dovetail. Take scope off, look at the barrel markings and a squint doen the bore: it's a smoothbore. He didn't know...and had sat at the bench firing round after round wondering why (1) the bullet holes were sideways (2) it wouldn't group worth a darn.

Have the last one out on long term loan. A beat up Stevens Favorite that started life rifled...but as is typoical of guns of this age and farm use, the bore was well rusted and pitted with most of the rifling gone and the chamber eroded out to extra-large-split-the-case size. Rebulit the action (mostly a matter of making new oversized pins and reaming for the new size) and debated the barrel.

Decided to make a chamber sleeve ans see if there was any life in the old barrel...if not, figured I could reline. Testing newly made chamber, no luck with ball loads...but tried shot loads and got patterns that were better tahn a rifle barrel, but a bit behind the smoothbore barrels. It's still in that condition, loaned out to a friend with fruit trees in his back yard.

YES...keep it in the line up...will pony up the $ for one myself and give him that long-term loan.
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You got to wonder about the ad-copy men...doesn't seem a big plus that it will shoot .22short, longs,a dn long rifles (but the ad makes mention of the fact)...pretty much get a group about as large as the shotgun pattern with bullete ammo. At least they didn't lie: it will shoot them, you'd just be pretty horrified at the accuracy.

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Old 12-04-2004, 09:15 PM
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Ad copy writers!

Ribbonstone:

I have to admit, I overlooked the line about the 572 smoothbore using shorts, longs and long rifle ammo. Guess they get paid by the word!

Many years ago, I tried firing .22 long rifle bulleted rounds from a Remington 514 Routeledge (sic) smoothbore. Never did hit the paper at 50 ft. However, I remember the little mdl. 514 did pretty good on the little Mo-Skeet clays out to 25 ft with shotloads.

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Old 12-04-2004, 09:30 PM
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This isn't quite in the spirit of Ralph's question, but I always thought that the point of my .410 bore was to save the rifling on my .22LRs. Ah well, I'm a simple, liberal pom, what do I know ....
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Old 12-05-2004, 08:29 AM
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It's the quietness of the .22LR Shot from a long smooth barrel that makes it useful arround the house...won't scare the gun-shy neighbors.

.22shot is pretty much a waste in rifled barrels...rifling chews up the shot and imparts spin to it, so it kind of slings itself into a wide hollow pattern. Smooth bore doesn't quite double it's useful distance, but it's close to that.

Louisiana law only allows a .22RF pistol loaded with shot to be along with you on black powder season hunts or in archery season...so I end up shooting a good bit of .22shot (even though there are mush more effective shot slinging handguns, they are outlawed during these seasons).

Pretty limited use gun...unless you have a burning need to shoot little critters at very close range, it's got nearly zero sales appeal. However, you can fustrate your firends by putting a scope on it, loading it with bulleted ammo, and turning them loose on a bullseye target.
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Old 12-05-2004, 01:50 PM
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that last is a pretty good idea... rather funny.
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Old 12-05-2004, 07:22 PM
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Takes me back - we had the baby skeet .22s at Camp Arrowhead BSA, back in the Eisenhour administration when I was learning to shoot. Seems like Marlin used to make a smoothbore .22, called the "Garden Gun" IIRC. Grasshoppers anyone?

Friend of mine has a smoothbore .22 pistol his father brought back from WWII. Seems an old man (German civilian) shot at him with it, and he took it away from him. That pistol belonged to two of the bravest men I ever heard of - my friend's father, who fought the Battle of the Bulge, and the old man who would take on a paratrooper with a weapon like that!
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Old 12-06-2004, 08:22 AM
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Aow

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Takes me back - we had the baby skeet .22s at Camp Arrowhead BSA, back in the Eisenhour administration when I was learning to shoot. Seems like Marlin used to make a smoothbore .22, called the "Garden Gun" IIRC. Grasshoppers anyone?

Friend of mine has a smoothbore .22 pistol his father brought back from WWII. Seems an old man (German civilian) shot at him with it, and he took it away from him. That pistol belonged to two of the bravest men I ever heard of - my friend's father, who fought the Battle of the Bulge, and the old man who would take on a paratrooper with a weapon like that!
Tumbleweeds:

If your friends .22 pistol is indeed a smoothbore, and does not have a National Firearms Act Tax Stamp/Registration, then simple possession would be a Federal Felony offense, (up to 10 years imprisonment and $10,000 in fines). As I understand it, such a gun would be contraband and one could not pay the $5.00 tax/registration for an existing unregistered smooth bore pistol.

If prosecuted for this "crime" one could only hope for a jury willing to override the law. The ability of a jury to judge the law as well as the facts is the citizen's last bastion of defense against ridiculous laws like this.

I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, so check it out for yourself and seek the advise of competent legal counsel.

Ralph
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Old 12-06-2004, 06:41 PM
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Good point, I'll tip him.
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