» Advanced

Go Back   Shooters Forum > Rimfires > Rimfire Rifles
Register FAQ Members List Donate Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-09-2006, 11:32 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland Orygun
Posts: 92
Model 77 Winchester


Registered Users do not see the above ad.


I recently bought a Winchester Model 77 .22 autoloader with clip feed from a good friend who was dying from cancer. he let me have it for $50 as it had not been fired for a number of years. I gave it a good clean and lube and took it to my indoor range and found it to be a little tackdriver but it has feeding problems and the remington loads I was using were hanging up frequently, chambering about halfway before jamming. I am looking for an exploded diagram of this rifle so I can take it down further if I need to. I will try some other brands of ammo to see if it is brand sensitive (like my Ruger 22/45 which won't eat CCI's). If anyone has experience with this rifle and has some observations they'd care to share. I'd be most appreciative.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-11-2006, 10:22 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 4,902
Check out www.gunpartscorp.com for a breakdown on your model 77. also check the feed lips on your Magazines to see if they are releasing the cartridge soon enough. There is also a posibility of a dirty or rough bolt face that will also give the problems you are describing.
__________________
Lee L.

America= Land of the Free, Because of the Brave. == May God Bless Them All.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-11-2006, 02:04 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,849
Sold my mint condition 77 along with two magazines and a Weaver B3 scope to my brother in the early 60's when I needed some money. Have regretted that move to this day. My brother has probably not shot that rifle more than half a dozen times since and it sits in his gun cabinet begging to be used. As I recall, it functioned perfectly with Peters high velocity HPs. Believe you can find a reliable brand of ammo that your 77 likes. It is a great little rifle and very user friendly. Your friend practically gave you that rifle. Have seen them at GunsAmerica going for about $300. Best wishes!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-11-2006, 10:44 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland Orygun
Posts: 92
Thanks for the information. I found the blown up schematic for the Model 77 at the site and I'll pick up some mixed brands including the Peters and take it back. I do suspect the bolt face needs polishing as it appears that the cartridge rims are dragging on the bolt face but I'll check the clip also. It is a very nice piece.
I still have my Remington Fieldmaster pump which I bought in 1950. I don't know how many rounds I put through it but it still puts em where I point it. I finally got rid of the old Weaver G4 scope and put on a new Bushnell as my seventy year old eyes just couldn't see much through that old Weaver.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-12-2006, 09:04 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,849
Doubt if you can find Peters ammunition anymore however there are other equivalent brands which should work. Bought my 77 in South Dakota when I was in the service and shipped it home when I got transferred so I never got to shoot it much. When I was discharged, it was back to college and times were lean so I sold it. My brother got a fine rifle and he knows it. Whereabouts do you live in Portland? Was brought up in the SE section a short ways from the Ross Island Bridge. Heard Portland politicians have swung far left. Hope that isn't so.

Last edited by Marshal Kane; 08-12-2006 at 10:01 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-12-2006, 11:50 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,074
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Kane
Doubt if you can find Peters ammunition anymore however there are other equivalent brands which should work. Bought my 77 in South Dakota when I was in the service and shipped it home when I got transferred so I never got to shoot it much. When I was discharged, it was back to college and times were lean so I sold it. My brother got a fine rifle and he knows it. Whereabouts do you live in Portland? Was brought up in the SE section a short ways from the Ross Island Bridge. Heard Portland politicians have swung far left. Hope that isn't so.

Peters makes ammo now, or at least their name is on the box. I have not found hollow points yet but did find high velicoty lead round nose. Bought them at Gander Mountain. Says on the box "Peters Cartridge Division", "Made in the USA".
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-12-2006, 12:50 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland Orygun
Posts: 92
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Kane
Whereabouts do you live in Portland? Was brought up in the SE section a short ways from the Ross Island Bridge. Heard Portland politicians have swung far left. Hope that isn't so.
I live in NE Portland in the Alameda district. Been in Portland since 59 when I moved from LALA land. I used to work in a Mental Health clinic that was at SE 20th and Powell, just east of the Ross Island Bridge. You probably would not recognize Podunk if you've been away for several years but then I don't recognize Dallas TX since I left there in 45..
As far as our politicians, some peoples' definition of far left is what they think of as far right. Orygun has very independent voters so we see a real mix. By most standards of political leaning though, the Portland area is left of center by a good bit.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-12-2006, 03:15 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: North Central Ohio
Posts: 623
Before you do anything to your rifle, I would try some other types of ammo to see if the failure to feed happens mostly with the Remingtons. If so, the simple solution is to not use that type of ammo.

I remember reading somewhere that the Remington bulk ammo has bullets that are slightly over sized. They may shoot well in a rifle that has a badly worn bore, but they might not cycle in an autoloader at all.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-13-2006, 03:04 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland Orygun
Posts: 92
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Kane
Doubt if you can find Peters ammunition anymore however there are other equivalent brands which should work.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Remington absorb Peters? I always thought the R-P stamp on Remington ammo stood for Remington/Peters.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-13-2006, 03:51 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,074
Remington and Peters are owned by Remington. The new Peters ammo has Rem in the bottom of the case. I have shot some and seem to be a tad better than the Remingtons I have shot.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-13-2006, 07:04 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,849
Gismo is right, Remington absorbed Peters many years ago. For a while, both brands were found on the shelves but have not heard a lot from Peters in a long time. Gismo says he has seen Peters lately so it may just be according to locale. Peters used to advertise "Peters packs the punch!" Center fire cases headstamped R-P do denote Remington-Peters however I believe Remington uses "U" (for Union Metallic Cartridge) on their rimfire ammo. Been a long time but didn't Peters rimfire carry a "P" headstamp?

Last edited by Marshal Kane; 08-14-2006 at 08:57 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-13-2006, 07:52 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,074
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Kane
Gismo is right, Remington absorbed Peters many years ago. For a while, both brands were found on the shelves but have not heard a lot from Peters in a long time. Gismo says he has seen Peters lately so it may just be according to locale. Peters used to advertise "Peters packs the punch!" Now the cases are headstamped R-P.
The new Peters I have has the head stamp of "Rem"
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-14-2006, 08:51 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,849
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gismo
The new Peters I have has the head stamp of "Rem"
Thanks, I'll have to remember that. Is "Rem" where the "U" used to be? Could this be Remington's new headstamp for rimfire ammo and has the "U" been dropped?

Last edited by Marshal Kane; 08-14-2006 at 09:01 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-14-2006, 02:42 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,074
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Kane
Thanks, I'll have to remember that. Is "Rem" where the "U" used to be? Could this be Remington's new headstamp for rimfire ammo and has the "U" been dropped?

Yes. I just looked at a box of Yelow Jackets that I have had for about 5 years and they have the Rem marking also. The U is no more.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-17-2006, 02:40 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland Orygun
Posts: 92
Yep, turned out to be an ammo problem. I bought a box of CCI Stingers, Blazers and Federal American Eagles and all three cycle perfectly. At least manually. I'll take the gun back to the range next Monday but I don't expect any problems since all three chambered very smoothly.
I'll save the Remingtons for my Ruger 22/45 as that brand works reliably in it where CCI's wouldn't..
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-23-2006, 11:12 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland Orygun
Posts: 92
Well, it's not an ammo issue now. I took the 77 back to the range on Monday. Loaded up a clip, fired off the first shot, squeezed the trigger for the second shot and just got a click. Recycling the bolt did not eject the next round but it was in the chamber. This happened with three different brands, all of them chambered but none fired and wouldn't eject unless I recycled the bolt a couple times. I don't know if the firing pin broke or what is going on but I want to disassemble the rifle. Problem is, I don't have a manual. It looks like I have to drift pins to get the bolt out. Anyone out there have a manual they could scan and send to me via PM or direct me to a source for a manual?
TIA
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-24-2006, 09:15 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,849
There's an exploded view of one at www.e-gunparts.com that might be of some help. As I recall (it's been a long time) the barrel is cross pinned into the receiver and doesn't take much to drive out. The bolt may drop out after the barrel is removed. Not sure how the operating handle is attached. Might see if the friend who sold you the rifle can help or try emailing Winchester for operating instructions or try www.rimfirecentral.com and ask some of the old-timers there. Best wishes on getting your 77 back in operation.

Last edited by Marshal Kane; 08-24-2006 at 09:19 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-24-2006, 02:22 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland Orygun
Posts: 92
[QUOTE=Marshal Kane]There's an exploded view of one at www.e-gunparts.com that might be of some help.

Thanks Marshal, I went to that site and copied the exploded view but it doesn't enlarge like the pistol exploded views and my ol eyes just can't make out the details. I went to the Winchester site and was directed to a shop in Arizona but they don't have any manuals or exploded views..I'll try the rimfire site next and, if nothing else, I'll try taking it down and hope nothing goes zinging off into some of the black holes by my workbench..
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08-25-2006, 10:09 PM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Portland Orygun
Posts: 92
[QUOTE=Marshal Kane] As I recall (it's been a long time) the barrel is cross pinned into the receiver and doesn't take much to drive out. The bolt may drop out after the barrel is removed. Not sure how the operating handle is attached.

I drifted out the cross pin and the barrel separates easily. I got the bolt out and it appears to be a broken firing pin. Now I have to locate a replacement once I figure out how to remove the firing pin.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08-26-2006, 09:17 AM
Beartooth Regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,849
[QUOTE=sportourI drifted out the cross pin and the barrel separates easily. I got the bolt out and it appears to be a broken firing pin. Now I have to locate a replacement once I figure out how to remove the firing pin.[/QUOTE]

Did the barrel/receiver group detach from the stock group by unscrewing one screw? Did the bolt just slide out? How did you separate the operating handle from the bolt? Can't recall how the two are attached.

BTW, firing pins are available from gunparts.com @ $27.00.

Last edited by Marshal Kane; 08-26-2006 at 09:20 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
22 caliber, 22 long rifle, model 77, winchester, winchester model 77

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Adjusting the Win Model 70 & Rem Model 7 & 700 Triggers faucettb Gunsmithing 41 06-13-2014 01:53 AM
Winchester 1905 in .35 WSL Gatofeo Rifles and Rifle Cartridges 5 02-07-2009 05:49 PM
Need a .22 pump or lever action eljay Rimfire Rifles 112 12-05-2007 11:10 AM
No more Winchester Model 70s and 94s Gil Martin Rifles and Rifle Cartridges 1 01-19-2006 04:12 PM
Need 1967 Whinchester rifle information lpguy Leverguns and Their Cartridges (General) 2 07-15-2005 06:00 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:03 PM.

< Contact Us - Shooters Forum - Archive >

 
 

All Content & Design Copyright © 1999-2002 Beartooth Bullets, All Rights Reserved
View Privacy Policy | Contact Webmaster | Legal Information
Website Design & Development By Exbabylon Internet Solutions
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2