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Old 01-12-2012, 02:22 PM
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I just got a nice little Stevens Favorite rifle marked .32 Long. I thought at first that meant .32 S&W Long. No such luck. It means .32 Long rimfire, which hasn't been made in years. I've been trying to find something that will work so I don't have to hang it on the wall, but none of the usual obsolete cartridge suppliers have anything.

There is a company in France that makes equipment to reload it using brass with an off-center hole and something called an acorn primer, but they can't send the primers internationally and I can't find any for sale in this country.

Dixie Gun Works has something that uses brass that takes a .22 short and a .310 round ball, but that doesn't sound very desirable.

Any words of wisdom?

I did find one box of ".32 Extra Long Rimfire" at a mere $200 Is that different than .32 Long?
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Old 01-13-2012, 02:22 AM
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I just got a nice little Stevens Favorite rifle marked .32 Long. I thought at first that meant .32 S&W Long. No such luck. It means .32 Long rimfire, which hasn't been made in years. I've been trying to find something that will work so I don't have to hang it on the wall, but none of the usual obsolete cartridge suppliers have anything.

There is a company in France that makes equipment to reload it using brass with an off-center hole and something called an acorn primer, but they can't send the primers internationally and I can't find any for sale in this country.

Dixie Gun Works has something that uses brass that takes a .22 short and a .310 round ball, but that doesn't sound very desirable.

Any words of wisdom?

I did find one box of ".32 Extra Long Rimfire" at a mere $200 Is that different than .32 Long?
Try this website: 32 LONG RIMFIRE NAVY ARMS - Ammo American There is someone who is offering to sell a box of .32 Long Rimfires. Also the extra long won't fit in a regular .32 RF chamber.
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:35 AM
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They can be converted to centerfire. Hand loader magazine had an article on drilling and putting in offset primers for 32 rimfire .
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Thanks for the tip. I'm buying that box of .32 Long rimfire and will try them out to see how the rifle shoots before I do anything with adaptors.
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The Navy Arms Co and The Western Scrounger both import 32 long rimfire from a company called CBC of Brazil. CBC is linked to Magtech and may be it's parent company.
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Years ago I bought a couple boxes of the Navy Arms .32 Short Rimfires for a Stevens Crackshot that's been in the family since it was new. Overall I was pleased with the quality of the ammo. It's funny, at the time I thought $25 for a box of 50 bullets was high, but I paid it since these were the only way to shoot the family heirloom. Now that price would be a bargain for a lot of our most common cartridges!
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Old 01-25-2012, 02:53 PM
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Try this website: 32 LONG RIMFIRE NAVY ARMS - Ammo American There is someone who is offering to sell a box of .32 Long Rimfires. Also the extra long won't fit in a regular .32 RF chamber.
I had a Marlin 32 Long rim fire for years nad when I couldn't get the rim fires I used
32 Long Colt center fire ammo. I had to make a new fireing pin but they worked great.
I reloaded all my ammo after that it was the cheapest way to go.
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:14 AM
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I had a Marlin 32 Long rim fire for years nad when I couldn't get the rim fires I used
32 Long Colt center fire ammo. I had to make a new fireing pin but they worked great.
I reloaded all my ammo after that it was the cheapest way to go.
Yeah, I believe Marlin made a lever action rifles, at one time, where one could change the firing pin to a centerfire type firing pin. This would save you a great deal of money by using the .32 Long Colt Centerfire rather than a $50/box of "OLD" .32 RF ammo. Is your Marlin a Model 93??
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There are several ways to get the Stevens Favorite in .32 Long RF "Speaking" again.
Besides the ones mentioned, there is a Blog Post on the internet by a man in California who 'drilled out' .32 Long Colt Cases to take Grade 3 (Green tipped) Powder Tool Loads, then loaded them with bullets and successfully fired them in antique revolvers and multiple barreled pistols. He describes the procedure and has photos and a video of him firing his pistols at a range. He mentions using 'LockTite" to seal the 'blank' into the base of the drilled case, then adding some BP between the blank and the bullet.

Another way, the DGW adapters are machined out of hard Brass Rod, so a person could make some of their own,
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Old 11-16-2013, 02:24 PM
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My Dad has a .32 RF revolver that he wanted to shoot. It was in just about mint condition, so no worries about mechanics.

I got some of the DGW brass that use the .22 blanks & round ball, showed him how to load them and that fulfilled his desire to shoot it. Just something to haul out every now & then as a novelty.

Accurate enough for this type of belly gun at about 15 feet! Might be better in the rifle.
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My Dad has a .32 RF revolver that he wanted to shoot. It was in just about mint condition, so no worries about mechanics.

I got some of the DGW brass that use the .22 blanks & round ball, showed him how to load them and that fulfilled his desire to shoot it. Just something to haul out every now & then as a novelty.

Accurate enough for this type of belly gun at about 15 feet! Might be better in the rifle.
Authors from the 1890s reported that .32 Long in a Rifle was 'of Good accuracy' out to about 150 yards with a 'high Trajectory'.
The high trajectory comment seems to apply most subsonic loadings of any cartridge when fired from a rifle at targets further than 50 yards.

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The Shelin Match Grade (MG) Stainless Steel Barrel Blank arrived in the mail; BOY is it Heavy, about 8 lbs. The Blank is 1.25" diameter by 28-1/8" long and is marked .308, which means .300" bore and .308 Groove diameters plus Shelin MG tolerances (.005" max over size diameters and .003" max. taper in bore/groove over length of barrel). So I will need to 'Slug' the blank to measure it's actual dimensions.

I am thinking of having the Stamped end made into a dummy chamber, preserving the stampings, to use in checking my Reloads instead of keeping the barrel out while reloading.
This would leave about a 26 inch finished barrel fitted as a Straight cylinder "Bull Barrel" for my 1915 Stevens Acton and it would initially be chambered for .32 Long RF/.32 Long Colt using the SAMMI Test Barrel Chamber dimensions, which are tighter than the production chamber dimensions. "Match Grade Chamber in a Match Grade Barrel".
I intend to use this barrel in my .32 Long experiments off a Bench Rest as the roughly 8 lb barrel is greatly heavier than the 1915 action and Stock (about 1.5 lbs), making a severely muzzle heavy rifle for 'Off Hand' shooting.

Perhaps a piece of 4x4 Walnut to use as a Forearm, set up to float the last 18 inches of barrel to the muzzle? I can't think of a more 'strange' looking Bench Test Rifle setup at the moment.

My original Stevens Barrels will probably be saved for use with my Stevens actions after I finish the Experiments and Testing.

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Old 01-10-2014, 05:29 PM
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Of the various versions of .32 Rimfire Cartridges, from .32 Extra Short to .32 Extra Long, all except the .32 Extra Short have now been successfully replaced with both adapted RF blanks used as primers and as CF conversions.
The latest success was with a Remington Rolling Block #4 chambered for .32 Extra Long RF.
The owner reformed some .327 Federal Magnum cases to the correct .318" case diameter then trimming them to 1.150" length, boring the primer pocket out to take a blank RF case with the rim about half inletted into the .327 case base. These were used with "Ideal 299153" design 90 grain heeled bullets and have successfully fired in the rifle.
NOTE: I did not list the powder nor charge weight as I did not do the development work nor do I own the rifle involved.
Here is the list of .318 Diameter cases for .32 cartridges:
.32 Extra Short Rf (CL=.398"; OAL=.645"; 54 grain bullet)
.32 Short RF (CL=.575"; OAL=.948"; 80 grain bullet) both RF adapter and CF conversion reported fired.
.32 Long RF (CL=.920"; OAL=.1.280"; 90 grain Bullet) both RF adapter and CF conversion reported fired.
.32 Long Rifle RF (CL=.937"; OAL=.1.223"; 82 grain Bullet) both RF adapter and CF conversion reported fired, and also with 90 Grain bullet.
.32 Extra Long RF (CL=1.150"; OAL=1.570"; 90 Grain Bullet) both RF adapter and CF conversion reported fired.
Also included in the list are the following CF cartridges.
.32 Short Colt CF (CL=.650";OAL=1.015"; 80 Grain Bullet) CF reported fired and also with 90 grain heeled bullet.
.32 Long Colt CF (CL=.916"; OAL=1.216"; 80 Grain Bullet) CF reported fired and also with 90 grain heeled bullet.
Additionally the .310 Cadet, the .300/.296 Rook, and .300 Sherwood cartridges have been reported as back in use.

I think this is a Very Good Thing, that there are people getting these old rifles and cartridges "Speaking" again.
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Old 01-15-2014, 07:33 AM
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The Navy Arms Co and The Western Scrounger both imported 32 long rimfire from a company called CBC of Brazil. CBC is linked to Magtech and may be it's parent company.
Let me fix that. Navy Arms / OWS used to import 32 rimfire, but that was at least 20 years ago. OWS shows one box available now, sold as a collector's item for $129....
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It has been reported that Captech Industries (formerly Jamison) is producing a .25-20 Basis case that is cylindrical and .315 base diameter This would make a good start for all the ".318" diameter cases as Fire forming would bring them to the right diameter.
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Everybody:
The below quoted 'Range Reports' list results of using blanks to fire homegrown adapter cartridges in .32 Extrra Long RF and .32 Long RF firearms.

I believe that these results indicate,but do not yet conclusively prove, that blanks CAN be safely used in these Old Firearms and cartridges with suitable care taken.

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Range Report - I had a very interesting day at the range. While there was still snow on the ground, it warmed up nicely.

Rifle - #2 Remington Rolling Block, 32 Extra Long rimfire, Temp 50F, no wind.




First load - .32 XL cases with 2.9gr. of Trail Boss primed with an emptied .22 short case filled with 1.0gr of 4F Elephant BP, Lyman 299153 lubed with Lee Alox. I fired 10 shots with an average velocity of 1077 fps and an ES of 33 fps. This load sounded good, had good ignition and most cases extracted easily (even though I polished the chamber, it is still a little rough). Accuracy was very good.



Second load - .32 XL cases with 6.0gr. of Hercules 2400 primed with an emptied .22 short case filled with .5gr of 4F Elephant BP, Accurate 31-090S bullet lubed with Lee Alox. I fired 9 shots with an average velocity of 1023 fps and an ES of 63 fps. This load had twice the velocity spread of the previous load, and I could hear a difference in the low speed shots, one still seemed to have a slight delay. The higher velocity shots ignited quicker and sounded better. I only used .5gr of 4F BP in this load vs. 1.0 gr of 4F BP in the Trail Boss load. I think this needs a full 1.0gr of 4F or more for reliable ignition with the 2400. All cases extracted ok, but the slower round seemed harder to extract, not sure why. Could just be a difference in cases.

Third load - .32 Long Colt. .78” length cases loaded with green .27 cal Ramset blanks only, no additional powder, Lyman 299153 bullet lubed with Lee Alox. I had 6 of these for an average velocity of 987 fps. But had an ES of 101 fps. These rounds had a sharper sound than the previous loads and I could tell a difference in the sound of the slow vs. faster ones. These extracted ok, but were a little stiff. Accuracy was not as good.

Forth load - .32 Long Colt, .935” length case loaded with a green .22 Duo-Fast blank only, no additional powder, Lyman 299153 bullet lubed with Lee Alox. I only had one of these rounds and it clocked at 988 fps., extraction was good and accuracy was excellent

Accuracy – I was not really shooting for accuracy today. I was more interested in seeing how these loads ignited, sounded and their velocity data. But that being said, I was very interested to see if my crowning job made an improvement. You may recall that before re-crowning I got 4” -5’ groups at 25 yards, pretty poor.



Today, I had the target set up at about 8 yards, aligned with the chronograph. I’m very pleased to say that the re-crowing seems to have made a big improvement. The first load (2.9gr of Trail Boss and the Lyman 299153 bullet) was the best, and shot 9 of 10 rounds into a little over ”, with the troublemaker going to the right a little, making a 10 shot group of under 1.25”.



So overall a very educational and satisfying day!

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I also did a little testing today altho not to the extent ndnchf went to. I finally found some .22 nail gun blanks to compare to my .22 noise blanks. These are blanks with original charge only, no powder was added or dumped. I don't have a chrono, these are penetration tests in dried pine 2x6 pieces screwed together. Measured with dial caliper to base of imbedded bullet. These loads are in modified R-P .32 S&W brass (swaged to .320", trimmed to .785"), bullet is Jack's Lyman 299153, SPG lube.

1 .27 Ramset level 3 (green) 4.585"
2 .22 Remington level 3 (green) 2.378"
3 .22 CCI short noise blanks 2.411"
4 (for reference) .22 LR CCI SV fired in 24" Mossberg 2.418"
5 (more reference) .32 ACP fired in chamber adapter in 24" Model 70 '06 4.455''. This was a factory 71 gr fmj load.

Puzzling, ndnchf's .22 & .27 blank only loads seem very similar to mine. His are within 1 fps and yet my .22 load only gave about 1/2 the penetration of my .27 load. The wood I used seemed very uniform with no knots.
For me, I think next I need to run some more accuracy tests, maybe at 50 yards. I really like the simplicity of the blank only loads if they will shoot accurately.
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Everyone,
Below is a summary of what i believe is good information about getting Older 'Rim Fire' actions "Speaking' again:

The 'Rim Fire' ideas of using a .22 Caliber Blank or a Powder Tool Load in an Adapter made form a CF case is a very good one to get the old RF actions "Speaking" again without major changes to them such as converting a scarce Breech Block from RF to CF.

It would seem that the same ideas used for .32 RF could be applied to .25 RF calibers also. In both calibers you start with presently available CF cases, then reform them down to the diameters of the old RF cases (.318" dia. for the .32 Cal. and .276" dia. for the .25 Cal.) then the reformed case could be drilled/reamed in the head to take a .22 Cal Blank cartridge. The Remaining rim edge might need thinning in one area to allow the firing pin to fully crush the .22 rim but that would still be a less invasive job than the Full RF to CF conversion process.

In relation to the Stevens Favorite Actions, both 1894 and 1915 models, the .22 Rim Fire firing Pin location MAY be useable for adapters made to use all three of the Powder Tool Load (PTL) Calibers presently available to general purchase (the .22, .25, and .27 calibers in grades 2 through 4 are generally available and some places also sell grade 5 and 6 PTL blanks). There are also the .22 Caliber 'Flash', 'Starter', and 'Dog Training' blanks sold in some areas that might be useable.

The opening of .22 Cal cartridges, removing the propellant and projectile or wad, then using Black Powder as a small booster under a Smokeless Powder charge is also useful knowledge and techniques to keep in mind.

From the Reported 'Range Results' these ideas are all valid approaches, at least in the described .32 Short, .32 Long, .32 Long rifle, and .32 Extra Long range that has been tried so far. Grade 2 PTL are reported to give below Published equivalent performance in the .32 long or longer cases. Grade 3 PTL are reported to come close to matching published performance in the .32 Long case. These are all with roughly 90 grain bullets (reportedly 87 to 92 grains). Also reported that useful performance was measured with a .315" diameter Round Ball over a Grade 2 PTL Blank in a .32 Long size adapter case.

Commercially available Adapters use offset .22 'Acorn' Blanks as primers for charges of Black Powder behind either round ball or Cast Lead bullets, so this is a process found 'marketable' both in the US and in Europe, and possibly in Canada, by Government Regulators.

NOTE: There is a difference in the Heel diameters accepted by different rifle chambers. One group of .32 users need .299" heel diameter bullets due to 'tight' chambers, while another group is using .302" or larger diameter heel bullets due to larger chambers.

My personal projects will advance greatly by these findings but I still need to make converted Breech Blocks as I also need ot continue development of my Center Fire alternatives for the .25 Cartridges.

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I found it easier to change 32 rim to a center fire and shoot 32sw in them. A round ball and black powder works great.
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I Purchased a Stevens Model 44 Receiver a while back, and now have purchased a lever and an Center Fire Breech Block for the same model. I also have on order screws and pins ot match and some extractors both for the 44 and for a 1915 Favorite action I also own.
So these projects are slowly progressing.

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FYI: Amazon is listing Starline .327 Fed. Mag. Empty Brass in lots of 100 cases/lot for $33.00 a lot.
When I looked they said there were 16 lots available.

This Brass should be suitable for resizing to make cases for .32 Extra Long and .32 Long replacement cases.

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