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Old 06-22-2012, 04:34 PM
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.22 or .22 magnum?


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so in addition to trying to figure out what make/model rimfire rifle I want to buy I now have to figure out if I want the regular .22 or the .22 magnum. is there a noticeable difference in recoil between the two? my impression is that since there is virtually no recoil for the regular .22 then recoil for the .22 magnum can't be that bad. is .22 magnum ammo more expensive? what am I missing here?
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:52 PM
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.22 magnum will be a lot more expensive to shoot, and reach out a little farther.
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Old 06-22-2012, 05:09 PM
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Recoil is negligible for both, but the price difference is substantial. It shouldn't be...but it is.
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The 22 WMR recoil is nonexistent to me, it may have a hair more then the 22lr but not enough to even think about. There is a significant difference in the power from one to the other. The hi velocity loads with 40grs for the 22lr have around 125-140 fpe at the muzzle. There's several hyper velocity loads with bullet weights between 30grs - 36grs that have anywhere from 141 fpe to 204 fpe at the muzzle. The 22 WMR standard 40gr load has about 158 fpe at the muzzle. The higher velocity 40gr loads have around 324 fpe at the muzzle and the 50gr loads have about 260 fpe at the muzzle. There are several high velocity 30gr loads for the 22 mag that are from 2050 fps to 2250 fps at the muzzle producing between 280 fpe to 337 fpe at the muzzle. The cost overall of the 22 WMR ammo is more but if you get the hyper velocity loads with more energy and are much flatter shooting for the 22lr then it narrows the price gap because they are more expensive than the standard loads you can buy in bricks. I have a 22 mag and just love it, it's a blast to shoot and I like the extra oomph it has down range. They are bot fun to shoot and easy on the wallet and shoulder compared to center fire rifles. Good luck
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:52 PM
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Beyond the money/cost, the real difference between a LR & a Mag is what YOU intend to do with it.

If you're a plinker, the LR is cheaper.

If you're a hunter, the Mag is more effective, but louder & more destructive of edible (small) game - great for varmints, though, right up to 'yotes.

If you're a small game hunter desireous of edible meat, the LR is a better choice.

If you're a target shooter, a LR is usually more accurate, and also has real Target Grade (expensive) ammo available that the Mag does not.

If you're desireous of an autoloader, there are more (and less expensive) LR autoloaders to chose from then ones chambered in Mag.

Which is why many have a gun in each chambering.

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Old 06-22-2012, 08:33 PM
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Recoil is negligible for both, but the price difference is substantial. It shouldn't be...but it is.
Correct in every respect. I have the cz 452 lux in 22wmr and love it. Get a cz455 with a barrel for each. Even though 22wmr is a lot more expensive, it substantially less than all centerfires except the steel junk.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:38 PM
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If you are into plinking, squirrel & rabbit hunting, or you just want a gun you can shoot all day without thinking about spending money than .22lr all the way. When it comes to rifles, then I'd go with a Ruger 10/22 since they are reliable and easily customizable, but if you want something unique then try to find a Winchester Wildcat 22 (they don't make them anymore). It is extremely accurate for the money. I hope this has helped.
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:28 AM
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I think everyone should have at least one .22LR no matter what else you own. They are cheap enough to shoot that you can get enough practice without worring how much it is costing.
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Old 07-10-2012, 01:27 PM
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Recoil is negligible for both,
Are you sure, it is a Magnum, after all.

It's a specialty cartridge. It has all sorts of good points, and supplies terminal performance the .22LR will never see.

It's expensive to feed.

It can fold a fox, coon, or coyote farther than the the .22LR.

But it's not for shooting a squirrel pot pie or rabbit stew most of the time. And, well, back to expensive to feed.

If you wonder about the two, you need a .22LR.
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Old 07-10-2012, 04:31 PM
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Are you sure, it is a Magnum, after all.
Yep, I've shot thousands of the LR and probably 500 or more of the 22 WMR...I'm pretty sure recoil is negligible for both. Maybe you're just more recoil sensitive?
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Old 07-11-2012, 01:48 AM
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I used a .22 Magnum for a few years in a Kimber Of Oregon rifle for hunting Squirrels. I found that if one uses a soft point it was too distructive. Using the FMJ bullet the Squirrels would fall and run off many times. I have better luck using the regular .22 LR CCI H.P. for Squirrels and it is much less costly than the .22 Magnum ammo. I remember W-A-Y Back when you could buy a box of 50 .22 Magnum shells for around $3.75.
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Old 07-12-2012, 04:47 AM
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Oh, the price difference is easy to explain: quantity and quality of production.

The ammo manufacturers probably each have several machines that do nothing but make .22 LR ammo, because the world goes through an estimated two billion rounds of the stuff a year. Further, there's a good deal of competition, so companies end up trying to make it as dirt cheap as humanly possible so they can try to price their product under their competitor's. Since most people shooting it are just putting holes in things that it doesn't matter how dead it is, performance isn't given a high priority.

.22 Magnum, on the other hand, is nowhere near as popular, and while I'm sure they make the stuff in large batches, I also suspect they don't skimp on the quality, since a person is more likely to demand performance out of it.
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Then there is the cost of bullets themselves. .22LR are soft swaged lead and .22 WMR are jacketed.


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My first handgun, back about 1961 was a RUGER .22 single action with interchangable cylinders.

That was the first and last last fire arm I ever plan to have for a .22 "mag."

ALSO No plans for any of the .17s coming this way!

Only a few years after that .22/.22mag, I began to reload and by then thoughts of any .22 beyond the long rifle were history.

If I plan on shooting anything that even gets within a remote distance in shooting cost to a centerfire, the rimfire will, without question win!!!!!!! Not a single question.

Love the .22 rimfires, but the cost of shooting some of the others considering the slight gains to be had make it a no brainer.

Besides, I like to reload, like the process, like the testing and load development, AND LIKE THE RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, a .17 Hornet, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm well that might be something else again!

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Old 07-13-2012, 04:19 PM
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.22LR or .22Magnum

As has been said, the most significant differences are cost and accuracy, with the former being quite significant. I have an excellently accurate .22mag in an Anschutz rifle. I really don't use it very much, which is kind of a shame.

The main reason is that I have two outstandingly accurate .22LRs - a Kimber of Oregon and another Anschutz. With Eley ammo, they'll both put them all in one hole at 25 yards. At 50 yards, you can cover Kimber's 10 shots with a dime (or smaller). The Anschutz is almost that good (probably just my shooting). I've killed coyotes and large bobcats with the .22LR, shooting solids right through the shoulders or each. They didn't run off. All were within 50 yards though. To be honest, if you want to shoot critters at 100 yards or more, get a centerfire. Everyone should have a good .22LR!!!
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:49 PM
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To be honest, if you want to shoot critters at 100 yards or more, get a centerfire. Everyone should have a good .22LR!!!
+1. As I type this, I'm looking at my Rem 581 .22 LR. I keep it in the garage (where I am now) for critters that get into the yard that don't need to, and shoot shorts out of it for that purpose. All shots are 15yds or less, and with the shorts it's quieter than a pellet gun. It's topped with an old Weaver steel 4x rimfire that will never be removed. It shoots. Period. With that said, as long as I can afford the luxury of a 22WMR, I'll shoot it for jackrabbits in a spotlight any day. It's a shooter, no recoil, and has a max range that makes the 22LR have an oedipus complex.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:00 AM
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22 mag ammo for $38

was at a gun show and Winchester dynapoints were $38 for 250 rounds...cheapest ammo I have seen..but Wal Mart sells same dynapoints for approx $8.50 box...everything else is Much more in price...cheap plinking in the 222mag..I am looking for a CZ 512 semi auto in .22 mag and am waiting for the wholesaler to get me a price...Will probably buy one..I have a savage bolt .22 mag, like the one on swamp people, and can't say much in its favor...had to have savage send me a rear sight like the old ones without that fiber optic...gun shot So high I couldn't zero it at any yardage...have the new year sight all the way down on the barrel and it STILL shoots too high for me...but its a truck gun and really gets thrown around..the front sight fiber optik is gone but I do like the little hole in the front sight as I can see through it and on the target....JMHO>>.
Has anyone seen the CZ 512 or shot one?? Its in their new catalogue....
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:48 AM
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I have a CZ 455 American. Mine is a 22LR rifle, a very nice rifle I will say.

You can get the CZ 455 American with interchangable barrels, and magazines, so that it can be converted between 22LR, 22WMR, or 17HMR.
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Old 12-02-2012, 05:25 PM
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Where I live in CT it's not legal to hunt state land with a .22 Mag! So around here they aren't really very useful unless you have your own land.
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Get both. If I only had one though it would be the Mag, due to it's hunting utility. My Cooey 39 .22 lr single shot bolt only cost me $125 CDN I think and it was in like new condition when I got it a few years back. You can get a new .22 mag for $240 CDN in a Marlin/Savage bolt. CZ is probably the best quality for a .22 mag bolt.

.22 lr for small game up close, .22 mag for big game/medium game/small game at long ranges....22 mag is probably the most preferred rifle for subsistence hunters worldwide, although .22 lr is the most common.
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