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Old 10-28-2005, 02:51 PM
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Load Data for Lyman Sabot Slug


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I've been searching the web for weeks for this info and finally broke down and bought the Lyman manual. Now I will save others the trouble.

This is load data for the 525 Gr. Lyman Sabot Slug. Its tough to format for the forum but the list reads of follows.

Powder Charge Primer Wad Velocity Pressure

Federal Gold Medal

Univ. Clays 36.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1503 10,100
WSF 34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 11,300
Herco 32.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1389 11,100
SR 4756 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1585 10,500
800X 31.5 Fed 209AWAA12 1459 10,700
Blue Dot 46.5 Win 209 WAA12R 1544 9,900
571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1429 10,700

Federal Plastic Hunting

Univ. Clays 35.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1442 9,300
34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1421 9,200
Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1297 9,100
SR 4756 40.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1439 8,300
800X 30.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1403 9,800
Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1408 7,300
571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1405 9,900

Fiocchi Plastic

Univ. Clays 34.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1478 10,100
WSF 31.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1383 10,000
SR 4756 37.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1396 8,700
N3SH 36.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1486 9,700
Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1476 8,800

Remington RTL (Premier)

Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1386 10,800
Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1269 11,100
Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12 1249 11,300
SR 4756 34.0 Rem 209PWAA12R 1448 11,100
SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1462 10,900
Blue Dot 41.0 Rem 209PWAA12F114 1475 11,000
Blue Dot 43.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1501 11,200

Remington Unibody SP

Univ. Clays 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1416 9,900
WSF 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1434 11,400
Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12 1336 10,600
SR 4756 37.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1468 10,200
800X 31.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1440 10,700
Blue Dot 45.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 9,300
Blue Dot 46.0 Win 209 Fed 12S4 1532 10,600

Winchester AA

Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1358 9,700
Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1271 11,100
Unique 22.5 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1231 10,500
WSF 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1393 11,000
WSF 28.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1332 10,500
Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1273 10,900
SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1378 8,800
N3SH 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1372 10,100
Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1474 9,200
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:14 PM
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Could you look up in your book for the Lyman Foster style slug. I also have been searching for days for load data as I have acquired a Lyman Foster 12 gauge slug mold. So far no luck and the book will arrive too late to do me anygood this year. Tks
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Thank you Hiram. Your post gave me the courage to start this endeavor. I have a question for you? Have you ever traveled much?
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Old 02-17-2006, 10:26 PM
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Here is some "THREE INCH" data from the lyman book:


fed W/paper base wad
uni clays 40.0 win209 waa12 1561 10200
sr4756 43.0 fed209a waa12 1563 10500
sr4756 43.0 win209 waa12 1479 8100
bluedot 50.0 fed209a waa12 1553 8800


rem W/black base wad
sr4756 43.0 rem209p waa12 1561 10600
sr4756 43.0 win209 waa12 1563 10300
bluedot 50.0 win209 waa12 1555 8800



win comp. formed
wsf 35.0 win209 waa12 1475 11200
sr4756 40.0 win209 waa12 1522 10800
n3sh 37.5 win 209 waa12f114 1511 10600
bluedot 50.0 win209 waa12f114 1595 10500
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Old 08-12-2007, 07:53 AM
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I don't see slug wieght posted for some of these loads. Slugs do come in different weights and I would want to know the GR for each slug I am going to load. Huge pressure difference between a 1 oz slug and a 1 1/4oz slug with same powder load.
I find I don't ever need the heavy slugs. They recoil much harder and their trajectory isn't as good. They are brutal when shooting from a bench. Mabey if I was loading for bear especially brown bear I would use heavy slugs, but not for deer. 400 gr of .73 cal lead will do more damage than I need to drop any deer.
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Thanks for lyman slug data.I have also been searching the web for it. Can help me out with the lynan 20 gauge data.
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Old 10-18-2008, 10:07 PM
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Any 3.5" slug data ?
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I am also looking for 20 ga data for lyman slug in particular using blue dot. Did you have any luck? Do you know if the wad wings need to be trimmed off?
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Welcome to the forum. Do you have the Lyman shotshell manual?
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:05 PM
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No I do not. I picked up these 20 ga lyman slugs at a gun show and lost the reloading sheet that came with them. The person used the Lyman mold which makes sabot type slugs (hour glass shape). I do have an old Lyman manual 1984 that tells you to take off the wings off the wads but I read some forums on internet that said that is no longer needed with todays Lyman slugs. I am just wondering if that is true and what powder charge to use with a AA wad and Blue Dot powder. Have many makes of primers.

This site does look very interesting. Have looked at a lot of info and opinions. .

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Old 11-26-2008, 04:09 AM
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For foster slugs -one of the blue dot loads says petals removed-thus the confusion. for the sabot load no blue dot loads listed--just universal, wsf, 800x, sr4756 and hs-7
Let me know which you would like--
The manual is well worth the price with lots of good information. I just started and in the loading of 12 ga. with AA hulls and wsf. i was getting good accuracy at 25,50 and 75 yds. Not at 100 but realized that I had started shooting in reverse order of shell loading so I was shooting first shells I had reloaded at 100.
I was getting some crimp bulge so I called Lyman and talked to a "Dan" who reloads slugs. He told me to do the process as I was doing but to use the press to seat and compress the load after putting the wad/shotcup in by hand with about 30 lbs of pressure--then put slug in by hand and crimp. more consistant-he said.

you could call Lyman and ask if they have any Blue dot loads for that combination. good luck

once again it does say remove petals for some loads but only for the foster style slug

just saw in your post about having many makes of primers--they list cci and win. 209 for sabot loads and only win 209 for all of the foster loads

Last edited by jbmabrey; 11-26-2008 at 04:11 AM. Reason: update information
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Old 11-06-2010, 04:35 PM
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seams like a few of us shoot sabot slugs and traveled a bit lol
do guys like roll or star crimp?
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I've been searching the web for weeks for this info and finally broke down and bought the Lyman manual. Now I will save others the trouble.

This is load data for the 525 Gr. Lyman Sabot Slug. Its tough to format for the forum but the list reads of follows.

Powder Charge Primer Wad Velocity Pressure

Federal Gold Medal

Univ. Clays 36.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1503 10,100
WSF 34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 11,300
Herco 32.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1389 11,100
SR 4756 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1585 10,500
800X 31.5 Fed 209AWAA12 1459 10,700
Blue Dot 46.5 Win 209 WAA12R 1544 9,900
571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1429 10,700

Federal Plastic Hunting

Univ. Clays 35.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1442 9,300
34.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1421 9,200
Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1297 9,100
SR 4756 40.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1439 8,300
800X 30.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1403 9,800
Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1408 7,300
571 42.0 Fed 209AFed 12S4 1405 9,900

Fiocchi Plastic

Univ. Clays 34.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1478 10,100
WSF 31.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1383 10,000
SR 4756 37.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1396 8,700
N3SH 36.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1486 9,700
Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1476 8,800

Remington RTL (Premier)

Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1386 10,800
Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1269 11,100
Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12 1249 11,300
SR 4756 34.0 Rem 209PWAA12R 1448 11,100
SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1462 10,900
Blue Dot 41.0 Rem 209PWAA12F114 1475 11,000
Blue Dot 43.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1501 11,200

Remington Unibody SP

Univ. Clays 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1416 9,900
WSF 32.0 Win 209 WAA12 1434 11,400
Herco 30.0 Win 209 WAA12 1336 10,600
SR 4756 37.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1468 10,200
800X 31.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1440 10,700
Blue Dot 45.5 Win 209 WAA12F114 1482 9,300
Blue Dot 46.0 Win 209 Fed 12S4 1532 10,600

Winchester AA

Univ. Clays 29.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1358 9,700
Unique 23.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1271 11,100
Unique 22.5 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1231 10,500
WSF 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1393 11,000
WSF 28.0 Win 209 Fed 12S3 1332 10,500
Herco 25.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1273 10,900
SR 4756 35.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1378 8,800
N3SH 30.0 Win 209 WAA12F114 1372 10,100
Blue Dot 44.0 Win 209 WAA12R 1474 9,200
Would theese be Max loads? I would love to know what the Blue dot Max loads for AA and Rem Premier hulls Thanks a bunch
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Old 12-05-2010, 05:31 PM
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I use 24 gr. SR4756 a CB1078 wad fo rthe 20 ga/ Lyman slug. I got a 3 shot cloverleaf group at 55 yds. and it was about 4" higher than Lightfield slugs using a scoped Moss. 500
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Slugs

I agree that shortning the hull too much could allow excesive freebore time during which the unsupported slug may tilt before entering the forcing cone. Filler wads provide smoother acceleration upon firing and seldom effect accuracy. Using a full shotcup hasn't worked well for most and cutting off the petals and just using the gas seal base seems to work best. I do that even for my best #5 buffered shot duck loads. Rifled barrels often have very little forcing cone compared to smoothbores.
Slug diameter can be vital for good accuracy and with many gun makers backboring or over boring barrels to improve patterens, barrel diameters can vary from different manufacturers and different models of shotguns from the same gun maker. An undersized slug wobbling down a backbored barrel will not shoot very well. Swaging slugs up or down in diameter can make a big difference. Hand casting and swaging your own slugs from custom molds does allow a much greater amount of control over slug size and shape but few shot gunners are casters and the expense of buying or having molds made and setting up just for slugs would be much higher than just trying several brands of slugs already available.
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Load data for Lyman Sabot Slug

I found that the windjammer wads with their 8 wad fingers, instead of the normal 4 on most other wads, strip cleaner and faster and therefore increase the accuracy potential at 100 yds for both the 12 GA and (especially) the 20 ga sabot slugs. The only problem that I am having with the 12ga, Mossberg, ported, rifled slug barrel that I have is that the wad fingers are getting shreaded at the gas ports and disrupt consistent accuracy. For my 20Ga., I use either 28.0 grs. of HS-7 or 26.0 grs. of Blue Dot and the Windjammer wad. My 20ga. Mossberg barrel isn't ported and I have no problems with the wad finger shreading. I went back to the WAA12 in the 12 GA for now and have a little better accuracy but the wad fingers are getting torn up, but not off, of the WAA12, 4 fingered wad. Actually the best accuracy I'm getting is with a .690 dia ball in a Ballistic Products 072SPK wad seated on a .135 card wad over 45gr. of Blue Dot powder. I get 4-5" groups at 100 yds. with this load.
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Old 12-23-2010, 12:47 AM
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Load Data For Lyman Sabot 12G Slug

Last week I purchased a new sabot mould as above. Used a 1in15 lead tin mix. The mould required a minimum of "breaking in" to deliver quality slugs.I used the supplied Lyman loading data.
Win compression formed 8star trap case Win 209 primer, WAA12F114 wad and 25gr of Herco .
Rem870 12g, 19 1/2" IC with factory adjustable sight.

Position standing post at what I thought was a 50yd range. I was later advised it was 50mtr.
A total of 25 shots,5 to get on to the target. Two targets, 10 shots each were placed.
All shots were within 6 1/2" the majority were within 3 1/2". Were the fliers due to my casting or my shooting ? Conclusion, Quite adequate for hogs and deer.

Next I will fit optics so ascertain potential accuracy.
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Load Data For Lyman Sabot 12G Slug

Last week I purchased a new sabot mould as above. Used a 1in15 lead tin mix. The mould required a minimum of "breaking in" to deliver quality slugs.I used the supplied Lyman loading data.
Win compression formed 8star trap case Win 209 primer, WAA12F114 wad and 25gr of Herco .
Rem870 12g, 19 1/2" IC with factory adjustable sight.

Position standing post at what I thought was a 50yd range. I was later advised it was 50mtr.
A total of 25 shots,5 to get on to the target. Two targets, 10 shots each were placed.
All shots were within 6 1/2" the majority were within 3 1/2". Were the fliers due to my casting or my shooting ? Conclusion, Quite adequate for hogs and deer.

Next I will fit optics so ascertain potential accuracy.
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