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Old 04-10-2006, 07:21 AM
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I have this old single shot with a 29" barrell. I may saw off the barrell to shorten it for home self defense. Is this legal? Can I use a hack saw? Should I then file or smooth out the end that was cut at the muzzle? Can the front bead sight be reattached? How short can I go before making it illegal? Will this "scatter" the pattern? Will the accurracy be affected?Will the gun be safe to shoot afterwards?Will the recoil increase? Am I stupid or what?!!
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Old 04-10-2006, 07:39 AM
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Well, I"m no expert but....

Yes, you can cut your barrel down with a hacksaw. People do it all the time. Minimum legal length is 18 inches. Most people stay to 18.5" just to be on the safe side. Measure from inside of the barrel. With the gun unloaded, action closed, put your tape measure down the barrel until it stops against the action and check barrel length this way.

You can install a new bead. I think you just drill and tap a new hole and screw a new bead in. I've never done it but if you're good at metalworking you should be able to figure it out.

I have NO IDEA what it will do to your patterns. For home defense it probably doesn't matter. If you are concerned about your patterns, you could get a gunsmith to install a choke on the shortened barrel. If you're doing that you might as well just have him do the whole project.

You might check your state laws or with the local law enforcement just to be sure. I'd hate to risk committing a crime of this type based on some anonymous source on the internet.
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Legal length and method to measure as above. I have even cut them off with a new tube cutter and smoothed up the muzzle with emery paper........it even put a little bit of rolled choke in it.....James
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Old 04-10-2006, 09:36 AM
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Definitely don't go any shorter than 18.5"

You said it's a single shot so remove the barrel from the receiver and clamp it in a padded jaw vise. Measure from the chamber end and get your mark for 18.5", 19" if you want to be real safe. Once you have the point marked, wrap a piece of good heavy weight masking tape around the barrel so half of it is on each side of the mark, best to use 1.5" or wider tape. Now, measure at least sixe points around the circumfrence of the barrel so you have plenty of marks on the tape to follow and carefully connect them to form a solid strait line you can follow to cut on.

Use a fine tooth hack saw blade, no courser than 24 TPI (Teeth Per Inch) as this will make a nicer cut. Take your time and follow the line but leave it on the tape, don't cut through the line. Once you remove the big chunk, reposition the barrel in the vise to a vertical position muzzle up. Use a fine file to dress the saw cut down to the line on the tape, this will ensure you get the end of the barrel squared off. Dress the inside and outside lip with emory cloth to round off the square edge from filing

Installing the front bead will require drilling and tapping or you can solder it on with silver solder. For home defense, I doubt you'll need the front bead anyway but it's not really a big deal to re-use the old one, just be sure you do NOT let it stick down into the bore causing an obstruction!

Probably going to be using some size of buckshot for defense loads so the cylinder bore is not going to have much of an effect on the pattern, may actually shoot better patterns than it does now as chokes often make buckshot patterns worse.
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Old 04-10-2006, 07:49 PM
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Minimums - 18" barrel, and 26" overall length.

No other restrictions in Texas that are more severe than the Federal laws, that I am aware of.
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Old 04-11-2006, 05:38 AM
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Is this legal? Yes.

Can I use a hack saw? Yes.

Should I then file or smooth out the end that was cut at the muzzle? Yes, it isn't mandatory but will make the job look nicer.

Can the front bead sight be reattached? Yes, but it isn't necessary.

How short can I go before making it illegal? 18 1/2" but I'd advise leaving room for error. You won't notice a difference between 18 1/2" and 20" when holding the gun.

Will this "scatter" the pattern? Yes, assuming the barrel has not been previously cut and the choke already removed.

Will the accurracy be affected? No.

Will the gun be safe to shoot afterwards? Yes.

Will the recoil increase?
Only slightly due to the weight reduction. There will be an increase in muzzle blast which might give the impression that recoil has increased more than it actually has.
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After reading all the fine advice here, I sawed off the barrel,leaving 18.5", smoothed over the cut and will now try a "magnetic" front sight to replace the bead.Next, I'll need to get a new recoil pad,slip-on or otherwise and here is something that's sounds crazy: Is it possible to refinish the metal and wood in something other than blue,stainless,walnut,etc? My wife told me to make it a "red,white and blue shotgun." I laughed,but depending on the color combos and variation of each color shade,that may look real cool,certainly different. Customizer I'm not,but this is about a $40 shotgun,probably now a $20 gun after the barrel shortening,so what do I have to lose? I saw a "woman's" shotgun in the gun store with a pink stock and foreend so I guess it's not too strange!?
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Degrease it and paint it.
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I'm delighted to announce, that after many hours of agonizing over this, I finally picked a "silver metallic" for all the metal and a "burgundy gloss" for the stock and fore end. I'm soooo excited! It will be soooo warm,inviting, colorful, eclectic and this attractive color combo will just "pop!" Whew, I think I've been watching way too much Home and Garden TV with the wifey!
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I don't mean to sound like a troll, but that seems like an awful lot of work just for a single shot shotgun. Anyways, glad to hear you got a new HD gun. Maybe later on you could get an AOW tax stamp and then make the barrel even shorter and then hack off the butt and make it a pistol grip.
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Old 04-17-2006, 01:58 AM
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Cleaned up the now-shortened old 12 gauge real good,painted the metal silver metallic,the wood burgundy gloss,added a new Pachmeyer recoil pad, an elastic butt stock shell(6)holder,clamped a Wal Mart flashlight under the barrel and there you go for $30 invested. a new looking shotgun for the home.
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Old 04-17-2006, 02:40 PM
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Old 04-17-2006, 06:28 PM
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I don't have a digital camera,only the old cheapy 35mm film jobby.I'll take some pics tomorrow and see if I can scan and or downlaod them here.
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Here are some pics of my "custom" home defense scatter gun.
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you should have totally pimped it out and used metalic gold or better yet Goldflake
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Words fail me.... at least it'll be pretty easy to pick out, when sitting in the gun rack before a round of sporting clays!
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:25 PM
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Ok, here's a hypothetical question. Say you accidentally cut your barrel under 18 inches on your home defender. Some criminal type breaks in and you shoot him with it in self defense. Are you in legal trouble?
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