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Old 04-24-2007, 04:21 PM
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Can I load buckshot in trap shells?


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Alright, I put it in the subject line so that it would catch someone's attention and hopefully get me an answer. I'm an experienced centerfire loader, but have never touched shotshell reloading.

I see that factory buckshot loads always have high brass shells. I have a bunch of Winchester AA hulls (I think - they were from value packed 7 1/2 shot trap loads) and I'm wondering if I can use them to make my own 000 Buck loads.

I'm planning to purchase a round ball .360 mold, and yes, I know I have to stack the shot in by hand if I'm loading buckshot.

Thanks for any info you can provide. I've searched this forum as well as the rest of the internet and can't find the answer, so I apologize if this is one of those eye-rolling redundant "newb" questions.
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According to the Lyman Shotshell Handbook Third Edition, there are buckshot loads listed using Winchester or Western compression formed plastic cases. So it does appear to be possible. Hope this helps. All the best...
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You can load anything you want in trap shells. It is all cosmetic. I think companies use high brass to tell people it is a high powered load. For the amount of buckshot you would use I think I would just purchase the buckshot and not cast any but that is up to you. One thing about the new Winchester AA hulls they have a basewad in the bottom of them and here isnt quite as much case capacity as say A Remington and lots less than say a Federal, so if you plan on using these loads for full power heavy loads you might be better off with using a Federal, or Fiochi or Estate hull and save the AA for trap or trade a trapshooter for some other hulls, but to answer your question they will work to load the buckshot,as long as you get completely closed crimps, That will be the limiting factor with the AA hulls and basewad
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Trap load buckshot.

Try .310 to .315 round balls cast with a hard alloy. The AA12 wad will hold 9 easily and the AA hull will crimp nicely. Use one ounce load data for the speed you want. The hard cast balls will make up for the lack of a buffer - to some extent.

Weight is weight in shotshell loads (unless you add a buffer)

Quick and easy...except for the casting part.

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Welcome to the forum. You need to follow shotshell reloading recipes exactly, and I'd second the suggestion of the Lyman manual.

If the compression-formed hulls are being used in those loads, and you have access to the rest of the components, I'd say go for it.
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Old 04-25-2007, 05:18 AM
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I cast both 00 and 000 Buckshot, have had better loads with 00. They layer in 3's in a 12 Gauge shell (using a wad with the petals cut off). I don't uas buffer, doesn't seem to make any difference in pattern when i use hardcast Buck. I have loaded them in AAs, but, as already stated, a larger capacity hull is a better choice.

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M1Thumb,

go to www.ballisticproducts.com and either shop online or get them to send you one of their catalogs. They are "specialists" when it comes to shotshell reloading. They carry more buckshot and buckshot loading data than anyone else out there and they are a great bunch of people to deal with....

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I'm an accomplished centerfire reloader, but have never reloaded shotgun. I have a couple hundred Federal and Fiocchi trap hulls that I want to reload with buckshot. The Lyman reloading manual specifies seversl different types of hulls for the various brands. As an example; "Federal plastic cases paper basewad, forl crimp", and "Federal plastic bases forl crimp". How do you tell which is which. Same with fiocchi with "Low plastic basewad" and "high plastic basewad" What do I look for on (or in) the cases to help me identify what I have.
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They layer in 3's in a 12 Gauge shell (using a wad with the petals cut off).

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What's the reason for cutting the petals off. More capacity or better pattern? Just curious.
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What's the reason for cutting the petals off. More capacity or better pattern? Just curious.
...00B (.33") will not fit inside the shot cup in layers of three. That is why I suggested .310 to .315 round balls cast with a hard alloy to get 9 pellets into a AA12 shotcup without cutting the petals off. Use with 1 ounce shot data. Alternately 6 pellets of 00B will stack in layers of 2 in the AA12 wad.

For a buffered, high performance, pressure tested #1B load see:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=92396

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jackiesman, look inside the hull at the bottom. The fed. paper basewad will be brown colored like old cardboard. The plastic base will the same color as the hull or white or yellowed color. Cut one of each brand open down to the base to check for sure. The fiochi hulls with different base hieght , low base will appear deeper than hi base, I don`t know the dimensions for each unless you have both to compare to each other. Each type has different load data. I don`t like the fed. paper basewad because they can swell with humidity or from getting wet after firing or even come loose affecting capacity and wad seating depth.... M1thumb, the AA hulls will have AA on the outside of the hull, if not there then it probably is polyformed hulls. I never had the pleasure of finding AAs in value paks.
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Thanks much Hurricane, I'll start tearing things apart to see what I can find.. It's all a learning experience, and I've got lots to learn. I appreciate the help.

If there isn't loading data specifically for buckshot for the hull I'm trying to reload can I assume that the powder charge for 1 1/8 oz of shot (say #6 or #8) is the same as 1 1/8 oz of 00 or #1 buckshot? Any feelings on that?

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What's the reason for cutting the petals off. More capacity or better pattern? Just curious.
So the 00 Buck will layer in threes. Then you can load 9 or 12 pellet loads. Usually I load with OP wad and fiber filler wad, rather than cut off petals, but a lot of reloaders don't keep a stock of the old wads.

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You need to follow shotshell reloading recipes exactly.
Hercules used to supply buck data for all sizes and brands of hulls, including target hulls. The fact that they won't do that anymore is a sign.

If you want to develope loads for a shotgun, consider the risk involved in figuring out where you are with pressures, especially if you swap primers, and wads, and buffer is a completely different risk factor. Without a precise recipe, followed exactly, you are completely in the dark for pressures. Even some of the BPI loads look scary to me when I compare them to loads from older references.

For serious use, I'll buy factory stuff until it's Obama'd.
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Hercules used to supply buck data for all sizes and brands of hulls, including target hulls. The fact that they won't do that anymore is a sign.

If you want to develope loads for a shotgun, consider the risk involved in figuring out where you are with pressures, especially if you swap primers, and wads, and buffer is a completely different risk factor. Without a precise recipe, followed exactly, you are completely in the dark for pressures. Even some of the BPI loads look scary to me when I compare them to loads from older references.

For serious use, I'll buy factory stuff until it's Obama'd.
There is solid usable data for buckshot ammo - I have listed one outstanding 16 pellet #1B, buffered, pressure tested reference already.

Another source for buffered 8 pellet 00B loads in AA, STS and Gold Metal hulls and regular target wads can be found on page 35 of the last IMR manual at:

http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Fre...rs%20Guide.pdf

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http://stevespages.com/pdf/imr_reloading.pdf


The two stack pattern allows the use of .33" 00B pellets in conventional plastic target wads.

The best patterns come from loads with pellets that have room to move rather than compress on each other during forcing cone and choke passage.

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I load .310, .311, .315, and .319 diameter balls in tapered hulls and 00 or 000 buffered loads in straight walled hulls only. I do this for capacity and not safety reasons.
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There is solid usable data for buckshot ammo -.
Outstanding Ralph,

Thanks for the links.
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"Tech Support" at BPI told me over the phone that weighing equivalent buck loads in place of shot loads was perfectly fine, as long as the weight was the same and the crimp worked out.
If you look over on the MidwayUSA site, you will see Fiocchi 9-pellet nickel-plated buck loads for about 6.00 per box of ten. Hard to beat that, especially with the nickel plating. They shoot right nice out of my weaponry.
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yes, but you would have better luck with 7.5 shot. just get on em quicker. also you will probablly be breaking club rules shooting buckshot at trap.
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"Tech Support" at BPI told me over the phone that weighing equivalent buck loads in place of shot loads was perfectly fine, as long as the weight was the same and the crimp worked out.
If you look over on the MidwayUSA site, you will see Fiocchi 9-pellet nickel-plated buck loads for about 6.00 per box of ten. Hard to beat that, especially with the nickel plating. They shoot right nice out of my weaponry.
That is the same information I have from several sources on weight for weight lead shot to lead buckshot loads. The problem of course is the greater space occupied by an equal weight of buckshot.

Regarding the Fiocchi buckshot loads, could you describe the pattern results you are getting from your shotgun/choke/load combination?
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