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Old 07-30-2008, 07:46 PM
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Hollis and Sons of London, England


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I recently bought a 10ga double barrel Hollis and Sons shotgun from a buddy. I was wondering if anyone could give me any information about this gun. I do know it is a 10ga, double hammer, double trigger, 32" barrels, 2 7/8 chamber and damascus (hope i spelled that right) barrels. I am looking for Mfg dates, what i can and CANT shoot out of it, and any thing else anyone can tell me about this gun. It reall is a beautiful gun and in excelent condition. One side has an engraved turkey and the other side has a pair of geese with lots of fine scroll work. the only other thing is it has a brass rod about 5/8" round up through ths stock on the bottom I suspect to help w balance. Also if anyone can tell me a ballpark $ amount as to its worth i would appreciate it. Thank You in advance, Joe
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:44 AM
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You'll need to have the barrels checked for integrity before you shoot anything. Unless the gun has been "nitro proofed", you'd best stay with black powder shells as that was what that gun was probably proofed for.
I'm not familiar with Hollis and Sons, perhaps others can help you there.
Sounds like a beauty. A picture would be nice.
Pete

PS: found this link as a point of reference - http://www.gunsamerica.com/976981687...PORTING_GU.htm

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Old 07-31-2008, 03:56 AM
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Like pete said, get it checked by a gunsmith befor you shoot it. I have an old S x S 12 guage made in Belgium and was told that if it has Damascus barrels it could explode when used with moden day loads. As for the price of it, there's a web site over here ( australia ) with a couple for sale on it.

www.usedguns.com.au

Have a look there and go to the shotgun part. Think there are about 4 or 5 listed. Hope this helps.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:41 AM
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I have plenty of information on Isaac Hollis. If you can give me the exact details of the legend on the top rib, especially the address as they moved a number of times and had subtle name changs through the years, I should be able to narrow down the date of manufacture. Details of the proof marks would also be most helpful. They made guns under their own name and were also associated with Westley richards making guns for them also. I have a double 12 by Isaac Hollis in the gun cabinet that is identical to a Westley Richards 'Gold Name' model except that the name is Isaac Hollis and not in gold. Mainly pretty good guns and if yours is in good shooting condition it should command a good price. Difficult to value unseen and prices in England are often much lower than the same gun would fetch in the U.S. Pictures are always helpful; especially those of the proof marks on the barrels. Let me know what you have and I will try to add a little more. Lagopus.....
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Old 08-06-2008, 01:54 PM
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I am not able to get pictures of the gun but I do have have some other information. The rib on the top of the barrel reads I. Hollis & Sons Fine Damascus Steel London . The Left barrel, the top rib and the tang all have a "J" stamped in them and the Serial # on the bottom of the barrels., aThe left and right lock plates have I. Hollis and Sons engraved in them and only the right ond has the same "J" stamped in it. The bottom rib between the barrels has an H M snd a large L stamped in it and the bottom of both barrels have the #11 satmped on them and also have what seems to be two "hammers" of some kind crossed with dots in diamond pattern around them. Hope this helps and thank you for your time everyone. This really is a neat gun and I would like to tell stories about it.
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Old 08-07-2008, 08:11 AM
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The crossed 'hammers' sound like the crossed sceptre mark which is part of the proof mark; the 'dots' you refere to should be small letters and a number, you will need a magnifying glass to read them, these will give a code that can be used to work out the date that it went through the proof house. Some of the letters will just be the initials of the persons who worked on the gun at various stages. This may be the only clue as to date in the absence of an address on the rib. They changed to Hollis, Bently & Playfair around 1934 so your gun will pre-date this. Specific details of proof marks may also narrow it down a little. Lagopus.....
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Old 01-31-2009, 04:35 PM
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Hollis Bentley / Playfair was in operation from 1914-1945.
They also owned Greener , Clabrough & Johnson at this time to sell firearms in the US West Coast.
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Old 01-31-2009, 04:43 PM
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Issac Hollis only manufactured guns between 1850-1860, but the company produced firearms under his name until 1880 when it became Hollis/Greener
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:27 PM
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Gents,

I am hoping that you can give me some information about my prettiest gun.

40 years ago, I picked up an I Hollis & Sons 12 bore, double trigger, external hammers beautiful gun. Griffin & Howe, still in the Abercrombie & Fitch building, allowed that it was a hybrid Damascus with 3/4" straps versus the usual wire and would be OK for low brass.

It is marked with serial number 43299

Barrel markings read from breach to muzzle:
Top rib: England I. Hollis & Sons London & Birmingham

lower rib: 7 overstamped with II followed by C, horizontal 2, vertical R, C, 2

Proof marks:
13, crossed sceptres with dot between and above the heads and between and below the handles, crossed sceptres with dots at each of the four openings, rhombus with 12 over C, CHOKE

Each barrel is stamped what looks like a tied bundle/sheaf of wheat and CHOKE over 1

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Old 03-28-2009, 06:53 AM
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The marks you indicate show that it is proofed for black powder only. Never heard of 'Hybrid Damascus', I suspect that that is just sales patter from G & H. Might be worth having a good Gunsmith who is familiar with English guns have a good look at it in order to assess its safety. Most damascus barrel guns, in fair order, will survive modern nitro proof; in fact I just picked one up yesterday that had passed proof in Birmingham - I would not have used it without it being tested first. If the barrels are still 'in proof' then best to stick to black. Lagopus.....
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Old 03-28-2009, 02:00 PM
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I agree with Lagopus, it either is or it ain't and in this case... it is.
Quite a few people have been convinced to shoot modern loads in damascus barrels and sometimes it works for awhile... then one day!

Use bp loads or go thru the chance and expense of having it 'proofed'. I would go with the bp.
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Old 03-28-2009, 02:08 PM
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Thank guys,

I do not plan to shoot this one, black powder or otherwise. It just sits pretty in the gun case.

I would like to know the year it was made and other information about I Hollis & Sons if you have time.

thanks
Snibbe
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Old 11-19-2009, 03:01 PM
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Hey guys, I just got an I Hollis and Sons double barrel 12 ga shotgun. External hammers to firing pins (not percussion cap like some older models). It has detailed engraving of pheasant and other bird game all over the main body. It has 23618 and 14 and "Not for Ball" stamped under the barrels. Also has "I Hollis & Sons" engraved on both sides of the body and down the top of the rib. "Damascus" is also down the rib. Any idea of the age?
Thanks, Curtis
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Old 03-23-2010, 12:10 PM
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Samuel Buckley & Co, Hammered Double - I Hollis and Son?

Good day.

I have a Samuel Buckley double, with hammers. She's in a horrible shape. While only a wall hanger, I'm looking to restore it a bit.

Does anyone have any pictures of a similar shotgun from I Hollis so I can have an idea of what she should look like originally?

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dane

pictures: http://www.smokewagonsupply.com/buckley_double
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