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Old 03-21-2009, 09:10 AM
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I noticed a while back that Cabelas sells shotgun "brass" hulls (not plastic - full length brass).

1) Are these reliable, and how hard are they to reload?
2) How are they sealed off too? I'm guessing you can't "crimp" these with a star crimp like you would plastic hulled shells. So how are they "finished".
3) What can I load in them? Shot? Buckshot? Slugs? Everything?

I'm considering these for reloading for my .410, since I can't find anyone that sells once-fired or new .410 hulls. It would be for a Mossberg .410 bolt action shotgun.

.... OR if you know where I can buy .410 hulls for reloading, please let me know.


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Old 03-21-2009, 01:03 PM
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This will probably be moved down to shotshell but...

I did a quick google search for 410 hulls and got all sorts of hits. Midway list them(plastic), there are some at gunbroker and many others.

You can load brass hulls with most anything you would put in plastic, but not sure about slugs. As for the closure, you simply put a tight closing wad in, some glue them. If the brass is rolled or whatever it wears the brass and shortens the life.

Brass shells are very reloadable but I have never done it. Many cowboy shooters do though. Brass gave way to paper, then plastic, due to cost, I believe. Many waterfowlers hung on to their brass for many years after paper came into popularity. As I've read it anyway.
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Old 03-21-2009, 06:45 PM
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Thanks for the reply O'Connersun. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I'll check Midway and Gunbroker for the plastic.

To the mod that moved this - Sorry!!! I should have looked closer. I didn't realize there was a seperate place for shotgun shell reloading. I'll be more careful next time. Thanks for moving it to the appropriate place.

Anyone else have comments or experience with these???

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Old 03-22-2009, 02:08 AM
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Reloading brass hulls is relatively easy if you have the correct components. The thing to know is that "drawn" brass hulls, the most common variety, are larger inside than modern plastic hulls and so require larger components.
For instance, a 12 gauge brass hull from Magtech needs 11 ga. wads.
You will find that normal .410 wads will be a very loose fit in .410 brass. It has been my experience that finding proper components for the .410 is difficult. I usually cut my own wads or use felt wads made for BP firearms to build my wad column.
As for sealing, an overshot card is sealed with a ring of Duco cement. I find it more durable than either Elmer's glue or Waterglass.
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Old 03-23-2009, 07:44 PM
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I have been loading the brass .410's for 3 years now.

If you like to tinker, they can keep you well entertained.

A 7/16 Osborne belt punch works the best for me for punching out wads for the Magtec brass. The .430 diameter commercial wads are recommended by a lot of people, but fit to loose for me, I like them snug.

As far as sealing in the over shot card, after much trial and error I have come to prefer clear 100% GE Silicone.

Over on Shotgun World you can search in the reloading room for posts by Turbo 1889, he has made some nice presentations on loading the metal .410 cases.

Have fun
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:25 AM
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Thanks! Finally... someone who writes big enough that I don't need my glasses!

Seriously - thanks a lot for the info!
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:30 AM
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Wow! Just converted 7/16 to a decimal (.4375). You wouldn't think that 75/1000 would make a big difference, but I guess with reloading, it probably makes quite a bit difference in fit. Thanks for the advice on the punch. I'll try to find one.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:23 AM
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Before you purchase any .410 brass cases, I'd recommend going to the article on .410 reloading found here:

http://www.endtimesreport.com/410reloading.html
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Old 03-26-2009, 03:37 AM
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.410 brass

Nice little article. Thanks for the link.
I have made .410 hulls from .303 British brass. They are shorter than "normal" .410 hulls but work quite well, though one cannot use a heavy shot load. I do, however, use the readily available .410 wads, cut down 1/4". Here's a pic of the fireformed hulls next to standard hulls. One thing that the article does not mention is that .303 cases may not blow all the way out, even when annealed. The result is odd looking but works.
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:08 PM
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I have loaded the Magtech Brass shotshells for over a year in the following sizes, 410, 20 ga., and 12 Ga. In the 20 and 12 gauge, use larger wads IE 12 ga. 11 wad in 20 ga. 18 wad. In the 410 Ga, which is a straight wall shell, use the same size wad. Use same amount of powder as shot and seal with an overshot card sealed with Duco cement. This is a Black Powder load! Lots of fun to shoot, lots of smoke and bang!
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Old 04-06-2009, 07:40 PM
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I use them in 12ga for cowboy action using black powder.. Work fine... I too use duco cement to seal the ends..
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Old 04-07-2009, 03:27 AM
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I just finished loading up some new 20 gauge CBC hulls (Magtech). I used an old 20 ga. Lee Loader to prime them. The rest was done without tools. LP primer, a 7/8 oz. shot measure of BP, an 18 gauge nitro card, an 18 ga. 1/2" lubed fiber wad, 7/8 oz. of shot, a 17 gauge OS card. Sealed with Duco.
Lee recommends a wad coloumn pressure of 40 - 60 lbs. depending on the load - for smokeless. I seated the wad firmly with a dowel.
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