am a new member. I have 94 ae Ranger model. I had a set of Firesights installed. The front requires some filing to fit. Went out to sight in and no go. At 50 yards, it is well over a foot low and you cannot lower the rear any lower. I just talked to the guy at the Gun store and he just did the same thing. I plan on keep the front fire and re-install the factory rear. I may have remove the blade or file it down. We'll let you know.

Griffer,

First of all, welcome to the site! Rules are simple, be nice and join in!

I'm confused by your post. If your shots are going low at 50 yards, you would need to RAISE the rear sight, not lower it. Rule of thumb is always: Follow the shot with your front sight. That would mean you do the opposite, with your rear sight. If it is as low as it will go, raise it and you will have to elevate the barrel to see your front pin (oops, I mean blade!) which will bring your shot grouping up.

I know this because archery sights always require moving your front sight (pin) and you follow the impact of the arrow to make adjustments. If your arrow is low, you lower the front pin. If I were to move the rear part of an archery sight, the peep, I would raise it.

Hope this helps.

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Ahhh. my bad. You should be confused. I am aiming well over a foot below the target to get it in the middle of target soooooo.....the gun shoots high. You were correct on your point about raising the sight but that is not correct for tmy problem. Should find out by end of the week on the new plan.

Ok, hopefully the new parts will take care of the problem.

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[I had a set of Firesights installed. The front requires some filing to fit. Went out to sight in and no go. At 50 yards, it is well over a foot low and you cannot lower the rear any lower. I just talked to the guy at the Gun store and he just did the same thing. I plan on keep the front fire and re-install the factory rear. I may have remove the blade or file it down.]



I've installed many dozens of replacment sights on Winchester 94's, AE's & FireSight's included, and would advise you that what you plan is a waste of time - a much higher front sight blade is needed, on the order of .100" (1/10") to .200" (2/10").

A FireSight (or any other) front sight blade should be .290"-.300" high for a ramp mounted sight, and .375"-.400" for a direct, barrel dovetail mounted front sight - both sight blades measured from their top/tip to the bottom of their male dovetail.

Those heights will usually zero a rifle @ 100yds, with the rear sight in it's mid-height position - thereby allowing the fine zero adjustments to be more easily made than by filing/shimming/etc.

You didn't say who ordered your FireSights, but IMO either the wrong height front sight (too low) was ordered or inadvertently supplied - presuming there are no other factors, like butt slippage/etc effecting the zero offset.

The front sight is moved/changed in the opposite direction POI is wanted to be moved; and a rear sight moved is the same direction POI is to be moved.

If you tried to file your rear sight blade low enough to compensate for the distance out of zero you're getting, there would be no rear sight left.

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Ranger44,

Thanks for posting this as it is exactly what I just measured and found on my Model '92. The front dovetail blade is .400" tall.

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"For my part, I prefer a sensible median between trying to shoot an animal across a township and getting close enough to ram the rifle muzzle down its throat." - Jack O'Connor

Hey Ranger44. Thanks for input. I didn't measure the front sight so I can't tell you what the factory one is. I pick up the gun today so will be better informed.
I ordered the set and didn't check the height when it arrived , I will measure tonight.
I am slightly confused on this whole side, angle, top eject thing. I don't think Williams even lists anything for an angle eject. I have also found this at other vendors as well.
You said you have installed dozens of sights on 94's. Any on the Ranger models? I ask because it seems this is an odd duck in the 94 world (parts-wise).
The set I ordered (from Williams for a 94) doesn't list the height of the front blade but they do list an individual front blade (available) in height parameters you list in the dovetail mount. May have to go with that.

ANYONE, trying to figure out the sights on a levergun, and especially the Winchester 94, would be miles ahead and have MUCH less pain & aggrivation if they would simply ignore all the marketing hype about their rifle(s), and just look at the GUN.

Forget about things like "top-eject", side-eject", "AE", "Trapper", "Rangr", etc, etc, etc.

Everyone of them has (1) a barrel, screwed into (2) a receiver.

The barrels are all fairly close in configs, even though the length may differ - The front sight of a given rifle will be mounted either directly in a barrel dovetail or on a front ramp's dovetail.
A ramp-mounted sight will naturally require a somewhat shorter front sight than a barrel-mount, as posted earlier.
The rear sights are generally about the same heights, with minor variations.

Receiver peeps are either side-mounted or top-mounted - and if a particular gun is prepped one way or the other, fine - order/buy that type peep sight.
But if the rifle isn't prepped for the type receiver peep sight you may have on hand, or isn't prepped at all - then the receiver can be easily D/T'd for whatever type receiver peep is desired, as they are all virtually interchangeable.
i.e., An "AE" or top-mount peep sight will fit the top rails of a top-eject rifle, and a side-mount peep will fit on the side of a top-eject/AE rifle.

The only caveats, regarding receiver peep sights, is that:
SOME side-mount peeps MAY require a higher-than-issue front sight blade to zero @ 100yds,
ALL top-mounted receiver peep sights WILL require a higher-than-issue front sight, and
SOME top-mounted receiver peep sights (XS/WGRS/Skinner) WILL require a MUCH taller front sight blade (more than the other top-mounts.)

The basic thing to keep in mind is that the top of the front sight and the center of the rear sight (open barrel or receiver peep) MUST be at about the same height above the bore C/L, by measurement.

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Allrighty then. I may end up going with the receiver style peep although I'd rather not. In looking at a couple of manufacturer's sites I ran across this from the Marbles guys...its on their site.
http://www.marblearms.com/frontSights_info.html

Just got a call from the guy at the gun store. He has the same issue as I do. He said he talked to the fine folks at Williams and they say that the front sight that will work is the .538 one. Well if that is the one that works, why don't they list that?????? I told him to order me one too as now if it doesn't work, I can send it back. BTW. There was some filing involved on the front as the barrel band is in front of the sight and the sight overlaps it a tad. Can't remember but I think on NORMAL 94s, the band is behind the sight.