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Old 01-10-2004, 12:02 AM
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Bear Baiting is on the Ballot

Well, the anti's are at it again. They have gathered enough signatures on the petition to ban bear baiting to put it on the next ballot. Alaska isn't alone, a similar petition gathered enough signatures in Maine to allow it to be placed on the ballot also.
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Old 01-10-2004, 12:56 PM
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Wonder if they consider hunting over a gut pile as baiting?
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Old 01-18-2004, 01:06 AM
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Well, the anti's are at it again. They have gathered enough signatures on the petition to ban bear baiting to put it on the next ballot. Alaska isn't alone, a similar petition gathered enough signatures in Maine to allow it to be placed on the ballot also.
We should not bait for fish either. When the tourism stops then maybe people will wake up, but I doubt it. There are too many people in Anchorage who wold rather be in Los Angeles. I want to put on the ballot that we send them all down there with a a paid ticket. I'll bet they would vote for that and leave me alone. I never see any of them in the woods anyway.
If I were to leave a few PETA types in the woods would that qualify as bear baiting, or just common littering? I'll bet that if the bag limit for PETA were on the ballot we would get record turnouts of voters this year.
I understand that those who run bait stations actually take fewer bears than those who hunt without bait. I know several people who film many more bears than they ever take home. This is one more successful attempt by the anti-hunting groups to utilize the political process to stop the intelligent control of both hunters and the hunting resource.
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Old 04-03-2004, 12:55 PM
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Bear baiters launch defense
NOVEMBER ELECTION: Hunters accuse sponsors of measure of being bankrolled by Outside interests.
By JOEL GAY
Anchorage Daily News
(Published: April 3, 2004)

Hunting groups this week opened their campaign to discredit a ballot measure facing Alaskans this fall that would ban bear baiting.

They accused sponsors of the ban of failing to register with the Alaska Public Offices Commission. It's an attempt to conceal the identity of individuals and groups bankrolling the effort, they say, and they suspect Outside animal-welfare groups will be revealed.

Nonsense, say ban supporters, who believe baiting is unethical and unsafe and that allegations of Outside influence are just a tactic to deflect public attention from the real issue. And ironically, they note, the hunters have hired an Oregon group to run their campaign.

With the Nov. 2 general election still seven months away, the bear baiting initiative is meeting expectations that it will be one of the most hotly contested questions on the ballot.

Bear baiting is a popular hunting practice in some parts of the state. Hunters set out pastries, grease or other foodstuffs, then hide and shoot the bear of their choice when it comes looking for an easy meal. Only black bears can be targeted, and baiting accounts for about 20 percent of the 2,500 or so killed most years.

Opponents say it's wrong to attract bears into hunters' sights with doughnuts or dog food, not unlike the now-banned practice of using salt licks to draw deer or elk. It's also unsafe, they believe, giving bears a taste for human food that could lead to dangerous encounters. Several states and Canadian provinces have banned baiting over the years.

But many hunters and game managers defend bear baiting as a valuable hunting method and management tool. It's no different than a fisherman using salmon eggs, and it gives hunters a clear view of the animal they're targeting, they say. In areas of thick brush, bear baiting is used almost exclusively, and bowhunters rely on bait stations to get close enough to their prey.

The Alaska Board of Game has consistently defended the practice, making Alaska one of just nine states where baiting is still allowed. Alaskans for Professional Wildlife Management hopes to keep it that way.

The coalition, which includes the Alaska Outdoor Council, the Safari Club of Alaska, National Rifle Association and other like-minded groups, hired Pac/West Communications to run its campaign. Spokesman Jerod Broadfoot said the Wilsonville, Ore., firm "handily defeated" an attempt to ban trapping in Oregon in 2000. Alaska faces a similar challenge, he said.

"One of our main themes is, 'Don't let out-of-state extremists come in and manage Alaska's game,' " Broadfoot said. "We completely expect the Humane Society of the United States to dump three-quarters of a million" dollars in the upcoming Alaska campaign, he added.

A spokesman for the Humane Society, senior vice president Wayne Pacelle, said his group has not yet donated to the Alaska campaign but probably will.

"We are sensitive to the inside/Outside contribution issues. We also do have a lot of other issues that we need to fund," he said. "But we certainly don't want to see hunting groups based in Ohio and Washington, D.C., pour money into a campaign to preserve the unsporting, inhumane and unnecessary practice of bear baiting, and then claim they're somehow Alaskans. It seems to me they've lost any credibility in this argument by having a campaign based in Oregon. It's total hypocrisy."

Broadfoot defended the Alaska hunters' decision to bring in an Oregon firm. With the expectation of funding from major national organizations like Pacelle's, he said, "50 to 60 (Alaska) groups were then forced to go and look for a firm -- us -- that can defeat this type of initiative."

The ballot measure has national implications, Broadfoot added. "Alaska has really set an example nationwide of how to properly manage game populations," he said. "If out-of-state animal-rights extremists come in and ban bear baiting (here), other states could follow suit."

On Tuesday, he complained to the Alaska Public Offices Commission that ban supporters had been collecting donations since last year but had not registered with the agency, as required by law. Citizens United Against Bear Baiting, or CUBB, should not be raising or spending money until it has registered, Broadfoot said.

"All our records are public records," he said. "People know who we raised money from." But CUBB is hiding, he said. "We have no idea who these people are" or how much they might be gathering.

CUBB spokesman Maury Mason called Broadfoot's charge a red herring. "They'll do whatever they can to divert attention from what it is, which is a public-safety issue," he said.

Mason acknowledged Tuesday that the organization was behind in its paperwork, both state and federal. "We're getting ourselves organized right now. Most of us just finished two weeks of work on the Board of Game," which met through March 10 in Fairbanks.

And there was no need to register until the Division of Elections approved CUBB's initiative, he added. That didn't occur until March 8. Nor has the group had much to declare, Mason said. Only two checks, both from Alaskans and totaling $15,000, had been received, he said.

But contributions from Outside could start flowing soon into the group's treasury, Mason said.

"When the word goes out, people are going to want to help," he said, but added, "We're looking at individuals, not at organizations, for help. There's enough people who feel strongly about this that we're confident we don't need large organizations' funds."

State disclosure laws give wide latitude to groups involved with ballot measures, said Christina Ellingson, the APOC's associate director. Because they don't need to register until their measure is approved for the ballot, she said, it's not uncommon for a group to register late.

"It happens all the time," Ellingson said, "especially when they're starting out."

Once registered, groups fall into one of two camps, she said. Those that solicit funds specifically for a ballot measure must file periodic campaign reports, which list who has donated and how much they gave. The first report is due 30 days before the election.

But groups also can accept generic donations, Ellingson said, which essentially puts contributions into the group's general fund. A group can use its general funds to support or oppose a ballot measure and must only file an expenditure report 10 days after the expense was made.

If APOC finds that CUBB failed to register in time, "we would encourage them to register immediately," Ellingson said. The group could be fined $10 a day.

Further information on bear baiting, from organizations both pro and con: * Alaska Department of Fish and Game: www.adfg.state.ak.us/
* Citizens United Against Bear Baiting: www.cubb.org/index.html
* Alaskans for Professional Wildlife Management: www.supportwildlife.com/
* Forum on Alaska bear baiting: http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/for...ar-baiting.htm
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Old 04-04-2004, 04:24 AM
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Alyeska - If everyone votes, in Alaska and here in Maine, these liars will lose by quite a bit. Back in '84 or '85 they tried to ban moose hunting here by referendumb, and they got their butts handed to them. Lots of people that had never ever voted came out and voted them down. Plus, the good side hired this young and handsome game warden as a spokesman on TV ads, so all the soccer moms voted to keep the hunt! Good luck
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Old 04-09-2004, 06:21 AM
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MAINER - I mean no offence to you but please, don't be so confident that we'll beat this so easily! They're not calling Portland northern boston for nothing! There's been alot of newbies movie into your great state that don't have the traditional Maine values in them. That new professor hired by UMaine was instrumental in getting Colorado's bear baiting outlawed! We are going to beat them but it's not going to be a cake walk by any means! I believe that the anti's think if they can get Maine and Alaska to fall into their hands the rest of the country will fall to them bit by bit. First bear baiting, then hound hunting, etc.. I've hunted Maine for over 30 years and truly love the State but her traditions are under attack and we can't be overconfident, just watchful and ready to fight them at the ballot box! CEJ..
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Old 04-09-2004, 05:25 PM
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An article in a recent paper stated that most of the money for this 'people's initiative' was coming from out of state. I have been accosted by many an initiative signature collector outside the local Post Office and have asked many questions. They get paid to stand outside in public locations and collect signatures. Many of the individuals who live in urban Anchorage have no interest in hunting and know nothing about bear baiting. The image is of Smokey the cuddly Bear being trapped in a cage and shot by some brute at close range.
In reality Bear Baiting is used by wildlife researchers, photographers, wildlife viewing tour operators and hunters. **** it they use bait on fish too! Don't kid yourself, those PETA types are already trying to ban catch & release fishing!
The problem is Urban vs Rural as well as the image vs intelligent reality. Yesterday I parked my vehicle downtown and ran several blocks to get to a meeting. When I returned to my truck I was appalled to read the signs in the window of the building by my parked vehicle. I almost got out and went into the building but realized I would be talking to a wall.
We live in a representative democracy because even Plato acknowledged that democracy doesn't work with large groups of people. These PETA types know they can gain more by getting morons to vote than they can in an intelligent debate.

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MAINER - I mean no offence to you but please, don't be so confident that we'll beat this so easily! They're not calling Portland northern boston for nothing! There's been alot of newbies movie into your great state that don't have the traditional Maine values in them. That new professor hired by UMaine was instrumental in getting Colorado's bear baiting outlawed! We are going to beat them but it's not going to be a cake walk by any means! I believe that the anti's think if they can get Maine and Alaska to fall into their hands the rest of the country will fall to them bit by bit. First bear baiting, then hound hunting, etc.. I've hunted Maine for over 30 years and truly love the State but her traditions are under attack and we can't be overconfident, just watchful and ready to fight them at the ballot box! CEJ..
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Old 04-09-2004, 01:36 PM
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You are right CEJ, we can't be overly confident.

I got a newsletter today from the Maine Prof. Guides Assoc., and they say that upon close scrutiny of the HSUS anti-bear hunting referendum, it appears that they want to include shooting bears that are feeding on natural crops such as beechnuts or acorns, or anything that grows that they'll eat. This would pretty much outlaw all bear hunting. Probably this should be on the Northeast Hunting section, but I thought the Alaskans would want to look out for this trickery as well.
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I live here in Idaho. In Washington State they stopped bear baiting, dog hunting and trapping. The restrictions on trapping are so tight that folks that control gophers are not allowed to trap them anymore. With trapping, baiting and dog hunting gone the preditor population is on the rise. Big cats have been spotted in Seattle suburbs. It ought to make a few coyote hunters happy cause their population is on the rise too.

Goes to show how the anti's can control anything they percieve they don't like.
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The ban pasted in Colorado in the late 80's. Same senerio, out of staters, mainly from kaliforina put alot of time and money into the election and won. Before that bears were not a problem, but now they are a MAJOR PROBLEM there. There are several incidents where bears have litterly entered homes and attacked humans. Several were killed and eaten (black bears are very predatory). I have never used bait to hunt but do beleive it is fair and ethicial. We MUST fight this all the way to the polls and beyond!!!
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...Same senerio, out of staters, mainly from kaliforina put alot of time and money into the election and won...
Mention of Califruity and their wacky politics is sure to get me going.

I ran a query on California mountain lion attacks. The first recorded attack was in 1890. There were 3 more recorded attacks in the next 100 years. In 1990 Proposition 117 was passed prohibiting mountain lion hunting in California. Since 1990 there have been 10 attacks (14 years).

Now guess who the Sierra Club is blaming for this very predictable set of circumstances?: CALIFORNIA DEPT. OF FISH AND GAME!:

“Proposition 117 addressed concerns about public safety, charging the Department of Fish and Game to remove or take any mountain lion, or authorize an appropriate local agency with public safety responsibilities to remove or take any mountain lion that is perceived to be an imminent threat to public health or safety....
Since then, the Department of Fish and Game has been derelict in its duty to manage mountain lions to protect public safety. DFG officials have said that they currently have the ability to reduce mountain lion population density in a specific geographical area, and to reduce the number of encounters between lions and humans. But the Department of Fish and Game has decided not to do its job of protecting the public. Instead, they have focused on creating a climate of fear in order to reopen a trophy hunting season on mountain lions.”

(http://california.sierraclub.org/mou...n/history.html)
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It's a real shame about the anties. They sell a million dollar house in California and move up here to Idaho or Washington or Montana or Alaska because of what it is, then do everything possible to make it what they moved away from. Go figure

Next think you know they will be sneaking across the border into Canada. We will see fences being put up and ground sensers and big busses bringing the rich wetback anti's back to US soil kinda like in Arizona.

Oops the anti's already got a form of gun control going up there. I almost forgot.

Hay all you nice folks from California please excuse my rambling. I apologize. We have our percentage of anti's here in Idaho and it's easy to blame folks from out of state. God bless all of you even if you don't think like I do.
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...They sell a million dollar house in California and move up here to Idaho or Washington or Montana or Alaska because of what it is, then do everything possible to make it what they moved away from. Go figure
Amen, friend. That's EXACTLY what they do. I can't figure out why, either.

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Next think you know they will be sneaking across the border into Canada.
That's a good place for them. They'd enjoy a socialist government, and have plenty of weed to smoke; just like "home".
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Huntster,
We are going to have a real fight on our hands here. The 'no nothings' are well established in Alaska. I did note that their 'boycott' because of our predator control is not working very well though. We are neighbors, need to get together and have a cup.
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We are going to have a real fight on our hands here.
Lets take the fight to them and sue for access to national parks, and sue for damages every time someone is attacked in our parks for lack of a firearm due to the gun restrictions in the parks. Those parks belong to us too, and we have a right to protect ourselves from vermin (two and four legged). If anyone wonders who should do this, I think it should be every sportsmans' association and pro-gun group in a class action suit.

I know I'm ranting, but we have to do something. You can count on me to register to vote as soon as I get there this August.
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