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Old 01-20-2008, 11:01 AM
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I recently bought one of them as a gift for a friend. I did a brief test before turning it over to the new owner. The .45 Colt loads were not very accurate, 5-6" groups at 25 yards. But with 3" .410s, what a hoot! The full choke tube seems pretty much the equal of a full size .410 long gun, effective to 25 yards, maybe 30. With the .45 Colt tube installed the patterns were larger but also more even and that should take game reliable to 20 yards. The shot patterns were MUCH better than from the T/C Contender barrel I had years ago, which I attribute to the very narrow and shallow rifling grooves. I turned it over to my friend and he took eight or ten grouse with it last fall, he just loves it, great truck gun for 150 bucks!
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Old 01-20-2008, 02:20 PM
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Yep, they're fun to shoot. I now have 2 of them and just recently bought my boss 1 for Christmas.
They are not real accurate with 45 colt because the bullet has to jump 2 inches to get to the rifling of the barrel; but the solution to that is to use 444 marlin cases expanded to 45 caliber thereby putting the bullet right up to the rifling. The accuracy goes way up.
I use 2 1/2" # 9 shot for snakes and 3" #6 shot for armadillos and such.
For $150-175 you can't go wrong. Shoulda got 1 to keep for yourself.
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Old 01-20-2008, 08:57 PM
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Has anyone tried .410 slugs?
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Old 01-21-2008, 05:17 AM
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The 410 slugs are not very accurate either. They only weigh 1/5 ounce, and are around .375-.385" diameter, being shot thru a .452 rifled barrel;
The 450 Mongo (444 expanded to .45) with a 250 -300 gr bullet approches the mv and energy of a 44 mag and will kill just about anything in North America.
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:47 AM
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I found the RWS slug loads were more accurate than .45 Colts but really couldn't see much use for them. In fact I couldn't see much use for a single shot .45 Colt either, so I wasn't terrible concerned with them. I saw the gun as strictly a shot gun and for that use I milled off the rear sight boss, cutting the monoblock down to a half octagon top and cutting down the front sight to a low bead, making it a slick shotgun. The .45 Colt might have some use as a short range camp defence gun but I'd certainly prefer a revolver for that. I don't know that I'd recommend any loads exceeding factory load levels it the Comanche, after all, it ain't a Contender. What it is, is a highly effective, light and handy, comfortable to shoot .410 pistol for about 1/4 the price of a T/C and that's good enough for me.
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:10 AM
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Exactly what I thought. And while it is not as strong as a Contender, i don't think i'd mill down anything on it.
It is a blast to shoot
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Old 01-22-2008, 12:32 PM
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My reason for milling off the rear sight boss was just to get rid of those clunky sights which stand high above the barrel and make it totally impossible to swing on a moving target, they just block out too much of the landscape. I wanted to get it down to a point and shoot platform and since it really isn't a target pistol there is hardly any point in having target sights obstructing the view of a flying bird. I've only gotten one opportunity for a grouse on the wing and it did fine in that case, but I have shot quite a few clays with it and if I shoot quickly it is sure death on those "birds". Maybe I can get my buddy to send a photo of it but I think one can visualize, just remove the rear sight blade and cut off the standing bars on each side of it, then bevel off the remaining sharp corners and reduce the front sight height by the same amount, a bit of cold blue and it's done. Makes it more holster-friendly as well as pointing better, and you really don't need a mill, it's an easy hacksaw and file job. That modification does not in any way reduce the strength of the monoblock.
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:45 AM
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.444 Cases in .45/.410

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Yep, they're fun to shoot. I now have 2 of them and just recently bought my boss 1 for Christmas.
They are not real accurate with 45 colt because the bullet has to jump 2 inches to get to the rifling of the barrel; but the solution to that is to use 444 marlin cases expanded to 45 caliber thereby putting the bullet right up to the rifling. The accuracy goes way up.
I use 2 1/2" # 9 shot for snakes and 3" #6 shot for armadillos and such.
For $150-175 you can't go wrong. Shoulda got 1 to keep for yourself.
I tried the .444 cases in my .45/.410 contender barrel. When I expanded the case and seated the .452 dia. .45 slug, I couldn't chamber the round unless I ran the cartridge well into my taped crimp die. There is a slight reduction in diameter on the chamber past the .45 LC chamber area which I think is to keep the .410 shells from expanding too much. I think I squeezed the slug down pretty hard and didn't get any good accuarcy at all. did you trim back the .444 Marlin cases at all? Don't think this is going to work out for me in the T/C Contender barrel. Am I missing something?
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:33 PM
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I had a similar problem too, what I did was take a die grinder with a spindle and wrapped some 160 , then 320 grit emery paper around the spindle and polished out the area in front of the 45 chamber, I doubt I removed .010". The 444/45 would chamber, but almost couldn't remove the fired brass after.
The first one that I bought was manf. in 2003 according to the fired shell and had a real tight chamber, the one I have now was manf. in 2007 and was looser in the chamber.
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Old 03-29-2008, 09:50 PM
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couild you send the breakdown for loading the 444 in a Rexio single shot(argentina) 410/45colt

does anybody have any contact information on the manufacturer



if so could you post it

thanks

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Old 03-30-2008, 06:24 AM
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The Super Comanche/Rexio is the same pistol just sold by different importers. I don't have mine handy to get the name off it, but there are only 2 pistol manufacturers in argentina, one of the being Bersa,SA, and the other makes this pistol; you can run it down by searching google for gun man. in argentina, thats what i did.

I will tell you what I have done, but will not recomend, because after extensive searching, asking, looking, and everything else i could think of, I can't find any documented testing for the pressure it develops. The 45 colt or 410 is a low pressure round only allowed 12 -14000 psi so you have to be careful. THIS PISTOL IS NOT A CONTENDER AND SHOULD BE LOADED ACCORDINGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start with either new or once fired 444 marlin brass
Expand the mouth using a 45 colt or acp expander die
Reprime and add 12 -15 grains of alliant 2400 powder
Load a 230 - 250 gr. LEAD bullet
Shoot
The case will expand to 45 caliber
After 2 or 3 reloads the case will begin to get more uniform is size.
The lower 1/3 of case towards the rim will never axpand to 45 caliber because it is too thick and you can not exert enough pressure with these loads to do so, but it works fine.

I like 2400 powder because i use it for my 410 also and can be downloaded safely, unlike H110/296
It only fills the case to about 1/3 capacity and i use a styrofoam plug or disc over the powder to keep it in place; that helps ignition and makes for consistant loads; the 2400 powder burns very clean and magnaum primers are not needed.

I have stopped at 19 grains of 2400 with a 250 gr lead bullet because it FEELS like a 3" 410; I prob will drop down to 17 and used a 300 gr.
I do not use jacketed bullets because they will increase pressure......
For all subsequent reloads it takes a varity of dies to load; I think I finally settled on just using 45 colt dies
You may have to polish the step out of the chamber to allow these to fit, the step is to stop 454 casull or 460 s&w from chambering, which will probably destroy the pistol because they are very high pressure rounds.
NEVER, ATTEMPT TO SHOOT ONE OF THESE IN A REXIO/ SUPER COMANCHE
You can google for 450 MONGO and find more info

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Old 03-30-2008, 07:41 AM
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For several reasons I would not recommend doing that.
For one, the case head diameter of .444 brass is .010" smaller than .45 Colt and if the .45 Colt chamber is a bit sloppy then .444 brass is going to expand .015" or more. That is an inherently dangerous practice to have that much expansion in the head area.
For another, there is no verified, pressure tested data for that application. I know some people do load .444 brass for those .45 Colt/.410 chambers but they are flying blind with no idea as to the pressure of such loads. The Rexio/Super Comanche is probably not a very strong gun, not like a T/C Contender nor an H&R rifle. The Comanche frame is cast of some non-ferrous mystery metal. The monoblock is steel but dead soft steel. It really is not a good platform on which to experiment with loads of unknown pressure. Add in the fact of under-size brass and you've past "questionable" and moved into "down right scary".
Graf & Sons have the MagTec 2 1/2" .410 brass shells with large pistol primers at $19.59 per box of 25 if you want to load brass shells. I don't know that they would fit the .45 Colt chamber any better than will .444 brass but at least they are .4" longer.
I don't think it worthwhile to try to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. I doubt there is anything you can do to make it a target pistol or long range hunting handgun. I prefer to accept it for what it is, a very effective and inexpensive .410 pistol with the ability to fire .45 Colt with adequate accuracy at short range. Isn't that enough to ask of an under $200 pistol?
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Old 03-30-2008, 07:46 AM
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Sorry DannyAbear, you posted while I was typing and said essentially the same thing, my post was not intended to dispute yours.
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:27 PM
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Exactly, I bought it for a 410 snake pistol, then ran across the info about the 450 Mongo and became interested; I then became frustrated because of lack of good info, so i experimented a little and quit while I was ahead. It has since resumed its place as a 410 snake shooter and a mite fine one at that.............
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Old 03-31-2008, 08:59 AM
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i tried google and didn't find anything. does anyone know a website that would work, or a name for a manufactuater
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:28 AM
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Go back and google 'rexio pistols'; there are several links to manufacturer there; i don't know how to make the link.
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Old 03-31-2008, 09:47 AM
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Try www.firestorm-sgs.com that will get you to the importer's site. I can tell you they are in short supply right now, I had an order for two and had to buy them off Gunbroker at $30 more than my regular price because none of my regular distributors had them in stock.
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Old 03-31-2008, 04:00 PM
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Lipseys in Baton Rouge has several in stock
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Old 04-01-2008, 08:20 AM
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Sorry but I've never heard of Lipseys, are they a wholesale distributor? They are not listed as such on Firestorm's website.

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Old 04-01-2008, 08:55 AM
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Yes they are; they have a website too
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