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Old 03-08-2009, 04:19 PM
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Contender G1/G2 differences, questions


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I've always wanted a T/C and just picked up a Contender at a gunshow. This one came with a .22LR barrel, scope, and a real nice all wood target grip. But it was used, and did not come with a manual. I went to the TCarms site and they only have manuals for G2 models. I note right away that my hammer is different, and I don't have a fancy plastic locking block, so I must have a G1.

Where might I go to find a G1 manual?

What are the inherent differences between the G1 and G2?

I assume that little slider on my hammer is a safety? Does it fire both a rim- and centerfire firing pin?

Can I put G2 barrels on my gun, or do I need to use (hard-to-find, I'm sure) G1 barrels?

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I can't answer all your questions but only some.
The little switch on top of the hammers changes from rimfire firing pin to centerfire firing pin to one side and the other, and safety in the middle. As you move it to one side or the other the letters "C" for centerfire or "R" for rimfire are covered to show which you have chosen, and a red dot will be exposed to show it is no longer in the safety position. I'm pretty (but not 100%)sure the G2 barrels won't fit.
My .22LR 10" bull barrel is not particularly accurate. Big dissapointment. Hope yours is better.
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:04 PM
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I can't answer all your questions but only some.
The little switch on top of the hammers changes from rimfire firing pin to centerfire firing pin to one side and the other, and safety in the middle. As you move it to one side or the other the letters "C" for centerfire or "R" for rimfire are covered to show which you have chosen, and a red dot will be exposed to show it is no longer in the safety position. I'm pretty (but not 100%)sure the G2 barrels won't fit.
My .22LR 10" bull barrel is not particularly accurate. Big dissapointment. Hope yours is better.
Thanks Luis. I was trying to say, mine does not have the little "R|C" selector switch. Just a little bar that causes a pin to stick out, which doesn't go into any hole in the frame. It appears to be some type of safety.

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Old 03-09-2009, 12:14 PM
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You have me stumped. The only kind of safety/selector I've seen on the Contender is the one they show in the current G2 manual. This manual should serve your purposes but if you drop T/C an e-mail with your serial number, they will probably forward you one of the old manuals or photocopy of one.

As I understand it G2 barrels do fit standard Contender frames provided they aren't Armalloy. If your gun is blued steel you should be okay, but T/C can confirm this.
They can be found here: http://www.tcarms.com/customerService/contact.php

As I understand it, the main differences between the original and the G2 have to do with the amount of metal on the side of the receiver and the way the action (not the hammer, but the action) is cocked. I have a Contender carbine in SS which I like very much.

Mike Bellm is a T/C specialist and has a FAQ page about the differences between the various actions found here http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=110

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Old 03-09-2009, 02:54 PM
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From what I'm hearing the barrels are not interchangeable from G1 to G2.
Every Contender that I've owned has had the rimfire/centerfire selector, and I got my first one back in '77, so I reckon all of mine are G1's.
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Old 03-09-2009, 03:04 PM
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Best word on barrel interchangeability I've heard is, "It depends." Then again, I think that came from someone selling barrels...

I'm going to try to take a picture of this hammer setup. Now it's bugging me.

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Old 03-09-2009, 09:26 PM
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To my knowledge there is no G1. It is a Contender frame or an Encore frame. The Contender frame was made in numberous variations until an all inproved version was introduced called the G2. Contender barrels will not fit a Encore or vice versa--two entirely different frames. All Contender barrels to my knowledge are interchangeable.

Now for the fine print. Early Contender frames had the pivot point at the front of the trigger guard which was later moved back to around the trigger pivot point. Reason was to enable easier opening of the action. I've litterly had to use a rubber mallet to hit the trigger tang in order to open the action on original style frames--they could open that hard--hence the easy open improvement. This improvement neccessitated a change in the locking lug from two to one piece design. Sometimes putting a barrel with the old two piece locking lugs on a newer frame would lock up the action or vice versa. At this point best case is you remove the foreend and using a wood dowel drive out the hinge pin. Worst case is you take trigger assemble apart and reach inside with a tool and activate the release of the locking lug. Over the years have done both with new & old frames, new & old barrels depending on combinations. Not hard to do but just plain annoying when it happens.

The G2 frame addressed several issues with frame strength and pistol operation. You can now cock and uncock the pistol without having to open the action as the old frames required. This in turn eliminated noise while in the hunting enviroment where that noise could, would and did spook game.

Hammers on Contenders were of different configurations over the years but basically change from rim to centerfire operation. Some hammers had a position in which nether firing pins were struck. Encores are centerfire only.
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The early Contenders "G1" had the slide bar on the hammer, later versions went to the rotating type switch on the hammer.

Several changes were made on the later G1 to make it easier to open. The trigger housing pivot pin position was changed to improve leverage, T/C will update a early G1 to the new pivot.

Barrels will interchange but you must be aware of the locking lugs that extend out below the chamber.
The very early barrels had a solid one piece unit that needs to be changed out to a two piece split version. This was also a change to ease the opening of the gun.

There was a change of the shape on the 2 piece lugs when they introduced the G2.

If you try a G1 barrel on a G2 frame and the trigger will not cock it may be due to the locking lugs not going far enough under the frame to assure a complete lock up.
Simple solution is to call T/C and have them send out new lugs to install. Much more complex is trying to file enough off the top of the lugs to allow it to fully engage.
I do not recommend trying this...

The early G2 advertising said that all G1 and G2 barrels interchange so hold them to their ad print.

I have several of each and have found only 3 G1 barrels that needed the new lugs before they would function on the G2.

I am not a gunsmith or a T/C expert but have been shooting them for many years.
As always a safety disclaimer applies, Use a gunsmith or send it to T/C if you are not 100% sure of the gun.

This is a great system and I have enjoyed many years of shooting these guns.
The T/C collectors association is great and has a quarterly magazine "One Good Shot"

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Old 03-09-2009, 09:45 PM
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HailStone,
Great minds working at the same time...

I did find a tool to aid in opening the early Ccontender Frames. I have used it several times on frames that would not open due to the locking lugs.

Whe my daughter started shooting in competition with the T/C she was 10 and did not have the hand strenght to open the T/C. this tool made it easy for her to pop it open.

http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=43
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That's an interesting idea that Bellum is selling. Would never of thought something so simple could be done to make them easier opening. Thanks Ken TN!
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Like hailstone sez,I do not believe that there is a such thing as a "G1". Anybody that comes up with that wording from T/C to referance the earlier Contenders pls post it here so that I can not overly embarrass myself at the next match.

I have never known a Contender bbl to be able to fit on a G2 frame(although I have never tried). To me the G2 and the Encore are substantially different than the Contender for the reasons stated above.

I own both Contenders and a Encore Pro Hunter....all are great weapons. -----pruhdlr
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Thanks for the info, all. Indeed, it was me that introduced the "G1" name to the topic, and I can find no reference to it elsewhere, so I think we can safely say it's just "Contender" and "G2 Contender".

Mine is indeed an older Contender, with no little switch on the hammer, but a screw under the spur for switching firing pins. The crossbar doohicky is indeed a safety, though it mars the frame if used as such (as mine is).

Thanks again! I'm looking forward to learning more about this platform.

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Out of curiousity, what length and profile is the .22LR barrel you got with your Contender? They made a beautiful tapered octogonal barrel which, if I'm not mistaken, was the original barrel for the design.
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The only problem I've experience mounting a contender barrel on the G2 frame was with the locking lugs. One design is three piece (two halves and a roller pin) and the other design is one piece (same shape as other design but its all one piece). Some old frames will work with new barrels and some new frames will work with old barrels but not all the time. Its a matter of trial and error finding the combinations that work. Other times I just change out the locking lug to the opposite design if one doesn't work. T/C literature specifically states older Contender barrels will fit on the new G2 frame. What doesn't fit is the carbine stock and hand grips between the older Contender frame and the newer G2 frame.
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Out of curiousity, what length and profile is the .22LR barrel you got with your Contender? They made a beautiful tapered octogonal barrel which, if I'm not mistaken, was the original barrel for the design.
Mine came with a 10" bull barrel, with a 3x Lobo scope mounted on it.

It opens as the more modern ones do, so it's not that old, but given the pre-indicator hammer, it appears to go back a bit.

Thanks for the tips on the barrels. I'll keep my eyes open. I'll be looking for a 14" .223 first, I think...

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I found a photo online of a number of barrels, some of which are octagonal.

http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/k...Picture184.jpg

The look even better with the short little triangular forend installed.
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Like hailstone sez,I do not believe that there is a such thing as a "G1". Anybody that comes up with that wording from T/C to referance the earlier Contenders pls post it here so that I can not overly embarrass myself at the next match.

I have never known a Contender bbl to be able to fit on a G2 frame(although I have never tried). To me the G2 and the Encore are substantially different than the Contender for the reasons stated above.

I own both Contenders and a Encore Pro Hunter....all are great weapons. -----pruhdlr
Any Generation 1 (original) or G2 barrel can be fit to any Contender or G2 frame. The worst you might have to do is change out the lug, as was previously mentioned. Only G2 buttstocks and grips will fit G2 frames. Only Contender buttstocks and grips will fit Contender frames. Only Encore grips and barrels will fit Encore and ProHunter frames. Don't ever take someone else's word for a particular barrel being inaccurate; it's usually a particular load that any particular barrel likes. With my 7mm TCU (a really fun caliber), it's really finicky about different powders and amounts of powders for any particular weight bullet. My 6mm TCU and 6.5mm TCU are much less finicky about changes in charge and bullet weight. It's a really fun piece to experiment with, and (warning) it's an addictive hobby.
Show up at the range with a 10" barrel 45 Colt barrel with a holographic sight, and people will think you have a 44 magnum, but it shoots so much more accurately! If you do any reloading, try to find the 6.5TCU barrel or 6TCU. They're a hoot to shoot.
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For the very small cost of membership the Thompson / Center Association is well worth it. They issue a quarterly magazine relating to all things T/C and it is a superbly put together magazine with lots of information and lots of folk in there who can answer your questions.
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