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Old 02-14-2005, 07:00 PM
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I want to buy a H&R Ultra Varmint in .223 but i've red a couple of time that some people have extracting problem and if i have that problem after buying it, from Canada, it will be hard to ship back the rifle to the company. I will not shoot reload and military ammo, probably shoot Win. Super X, Supreme and maybe Win. "value pack". Please tell me more about that and about the accuracy. Last question, is a Bushnell 6-18 50mm will fit on it?
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Old 02-15-2005, 04:56 AM
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I owned one a few years back and had some problems with sticky ammo. I sent it back to the factory twice. I traded it for a Ultra that was chambered in 444 Marlin.
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I owned one a few years back and had some problems with sticky ammo. I sent it back to the factory twice. I traded it for a Ultra that was chambered in 444 Marlin.
Speaking of that 444 Marlin, Ranch Dog, did you ever get it back and have you shot it much?
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I have one w/ a light colored maple stock and it shoots under 1". Never had any extraction problem, some of the problems are possibly caused by handloads that are a little too warm. My rifle has a little oversized chamber and leaves very small rings around the body of the cases.(even with factory loads) Any scope will fit, I have a 50 mm scope on mine. Need extra high rings. I'm going to take off the big scope and mount a smaller one.
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Old 02-15-2005, 03:13 PM
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I have one w/ a light colored maple stock and it shoots under 1". Never had any extraction problem, some of the problems are possibly caused by handloads that are a little too warm. My rifle has a little oversized chamber and leaves very small rings around the body of the cases.(even with factory loads) Any scope will fit, I have a 50 mm scope on mine. Need extra high rings. I'm going to take off the big scope and mount a smaller one.
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Did H&R Ultra Varmint came with rings and if yes, i want to know if they will fit with a Bushnell Banner Dusk&Dawn 4-12x 40mm AO or i will need to put higher rings for that scope?
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Old 02-15-2005, 04:38 PM
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Speaking of that 444 Marlin, Ranch Dog, did you ever get it back and have you shot it much?
My son-in-law won't give it back!!!
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:09 PM
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I've had a .223 UV for a year and won't part with it. A little sticking when I first bought it; I took the end of a cleaning rod and a piece of coarse cloth and polished it in front of the TV for about 30 min. -- no more stuck cases. Best factory ammo is Win 45 JHP valu-pack and Ultramax 40 & 50gr V-Max. Handloads are 50gr Nosler BT with 26gr Varget. This rifle will shoot 1 to 1.5 MOA on a bad day, and close to 1/2 on a good one. I've had 1 1/4" groups at 200yds and 5/8" at 100 from time to time. Accuracy can vary from rifle to rifle, but once you find a load that works, you'll be happy.

If you shoot from a bench, one trick a lot of people find useful is to rest it on the hinge, not the forestock. Makes a big difference in mine. And stay with lighter bullets; 55gr or so and under. The H&R .223 has a slowish 1:12" twist, and won't typically stabilize heavier bullets. I may try some with handloads sometime. Occasionally people have luck with 62gr, but most heavier bullets come out sideways.

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Old 02-16-2005, 01:43 PM
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Thank you, with that accuracy, for that price, i have noting to loose. Maybe if extract problem, i 'll bring it to a gun specialist to try someting before return it to factory. And maybe try to free float with o-ring because my second choice was the Savage Mod. 40 but don't know nothing about it for the accuracy and the quality so i think i will try my luck with H&R.
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My son-in-law won't give it back!!!
I guess the good news is that you have a son-in-law that appreciates firearms.
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Thank's, and did you think that my gunsmith can resolve that problem (extracting)??because if i buy one, i'll probably bring it to him to "hand lap" the barrel and "do the trigger" so by the same occasion, ask him to polish the chamber or someting like that to resolve the problem if it's possible.
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I found a Walmart link that had the price for the .223 Ultra for $282.92. I printed the thing and took it down to the local store. It should be here in 5 working days. I think they had the price listed for $350.00.
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I checked back today. It looks like they removed the price from the link.
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:53 PM
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Thank's, and did you think that my gunsmith can resolve that problem (extracting)??because if i buy one, i'll probably bring it to him to "hand lap" the barrel and "do the trigger" so by the same occasion, ask him to polish the chamber or someting like that to resolve the problem if it's possible.
I had an extraction problem with my G2 contender in .223. The extractor was slipping over the rim. My gunsmith fitted a stonger spring under the extractor and undercut it as well. No more problems.

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Did H&R Ultra Varmint came with rings and if yes, i want to know if they will fit with a Bushnell Banner Dusk&Dawn 4-12x 40mm AO or i will need to put higher rings for that scope?
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I have a Simmons 2-7x44 "44 MAG" scope on a 44mag Handi-Rifle and use high rings. Your Banner has a 40mm objective but with the AO feature it is probably at or over 44mm and you will need high rings. Any other rifle and you could use medium rings but the H&R's are a little different.
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Old 05-20-2008, 12:46 PM
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Just picked up my 223 today. I mounted a BSA 4-16x40 Contender on Leapold tall rings. This scope has done very well on my other Walmart cheapo Mossberg 30-06. My 150 grn fmjbt load can manage 3/4" at 100 yards. With all of the recoil, the scope has stayed dead on. This H&R is a sharp looking rig, heavy as ****. The recoil should be that of a 22lr.

Walmart took the link down for $283.00 just after I bought the rifle. Look forward to getting things dialed in this weekend.
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Old 05-27-2008, 04:53 AM
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Range report

Perfect function with the rifle. Shooting 55 grn sp with 25 grns of Varget. I was not able to benchrest the gun, but it would seem to be a very accurate rifle. Shooting out of the back of the truck at 50 yards or so, put rounds through the same hole. At 75-150 yards, we hit everything we shot at (just screwing around outside Moab).

I should get the final scope zero done this weekend. No sticky case problems.
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Old 05-27-2008, 04:58 AM
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Perfect operation with the new rifle. At 50 yards or so, bullets going through the same hole. I put Leupold rings on instead of Zee rings. This is a very low recoil rifle. No sticky case problem. I had 55 grn sp with 25 grns or Varget. After getting a rough zero, kid took over the rifle. He was hitting everything he wanted from 55-150 yards. This is going to be a very enjoyable firearm.
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Old 06-02-2008, 05:26 AM
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I finally got to the range for dialing the rifle in. The results are very erratic. If I rest for the fore end on a rifle rest, the gun prints 3" low and to the right. If I use a bipod, it prints 1.5" high and to the left. If I rest the rifle just in front of the trigger guard, I zing them dead center with usually one flyer well outside of 3". This was all done with the target at 50 yards.

This is a very strange rifle to shoot. It is a great challenge to be consistent with it. I am afraid......
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Old 06-12-2008, 05:33 AM
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This rifle has been very frustrating. 55 grn bullets print the size of a pie plate at 100. I was ready to sell when I observed a box of 69 grn hpbt match bullets at Walmart. So what the ****, may as well try it. Using 21 grns of Varget, I managed to get a group that a dime can cover. Most groups avg .75-1.2 inches at 100 yards. When I use the same bullet with 25.6 grn of Varget, groups spread out to 3" or more. So far, this rifle likes to go slow...2500-2700 fps or so. I tried a friend's pet loads for 50 and 52 grn, they hold 2.5" at 100 yards. This rifle seems to like heavy bullets at moderate speed. Where I only shoot paper, that works for me. If I was turning lil critters in to a "red mist", I would not be happy with this. I think I will bag Varget and start building loads with 4064 or 4198.
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After 500 or so rounds, this has been a frustrating weapon. I have a local smithy that will perform a trigger job for me. I have a few 3 shot groups at 1/4" with 69 BTHP match at 100 yards. I think my avg groups are around 1". It seems to really like heavy bullets at moderate velocity (2700 fps). Remington 55 FMJ really stink with Varget. They print 3-4" at 100. I have loaded up winchester and Sierra with 4096. We shall see what they can do.
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