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Old 06-14-2006, 07:41 PM
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Hello all,
I would like to work up some accurate 30-30 loads for an early vintage H&R Handi-Rifle with a 22" barrel for a back up deer rifle. Nosler ballistic tip bullets look promising, but they only give data for the 125 gr. bullet. I would like go with a 150 or 165 grain. What kind of groups should I expect with this rifle? I have read anecdotal reports that some of the early production H&R's had some problems. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 06-15-2006, 03:13 AM
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The neat thing about the handi rifle is; 1 You can neck size. 2 Find best over all length. 3 Ignore the crimp and canalure thing.
I would stay with bullets designed for the 30-30 as your velocity and effective range are near the same. Good powders are also the same as for a lever rifle. I recall a 5 shot 200 yard group with one that could be covered with a silver dollar. I was impressed!
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Old 06-15-2006, 04:10 PM
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Here's a 150 gr FN Win .30-30 bullet with 27.0 gr IMR 4895 at 100 yards out of a Handi rifle.

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Old 06-17-2006, 10:58 AM
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Any Thompsom Center G2 shooters with a 30-30 barrel out there? I'm looking for a load using a Nosler ballistic tip 150 or 165 gr. bullet at 2400-2500+/- FPS. Accurate and flat shooting with about 1100 Ft.Lbs. of energy at 300 yards. I plan to mount a Leupold 2-7x33 scope on the rifle. Not that I've taken a deer before at that range, maybe half being my farthest shot. I would just like to know the rifle is capable if the proper shot presented itself.
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Old 06-17-2006, 03:27 PM
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Took me abit to dig up the data. It is from the mid 80's I'm sure. The 5 shot 200 yard group was 1.6 inch from mi' amgos model 158. I recall a real nice day at a public range with only him and me being there. My notes show the load as follows:
Primer Federal 210 LR
Powder WW 748 37.1 gr.
Bullet Nosler 170 gr. BTFP
COL was 2.62 inch

My good friend still has this rifle and several boxes of loaded ammunition. I found three boxes of one hundred in my inventory of this good Nosler bullet. I think they quit making it? It is a boat tail solid base with a flat point designed for the 30-30 Winchester. Part number is 30408.

I can remember testing them into water filled milk jugs and stuff in my 1894 Winchester and they penitrated and expanded on par with other bullet intended for the 30-30.

I don't like to post load data. Keep in mind that this is old data, and may not be safe with todays componants. If Noslers bullet is not availible, I would look at Speers offering in a flatbase bullet.

The H&R is a good rifle!
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Old 06-18-2006, 10:04 AM
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You could start with the minimun powder charges listed in most all of the popular reloading manuals for 150 or 170 gr flat nose bullets for the Nosler bt's,2400 fps is really going to be pushing it.I had a Contender 21" barrel and the best I could get with W748 was around 2200 fps.If you could get 2400 fps with the 150's you would make your goal of 1100 ft lbs of energy but sighted dead on at 100yds you would have a 20" drop at 300yds.Not a real good choice for a long range big game hunting round.
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Old 06-21-2006, 08:35 AM
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Any Thompsom Center G2 shooters with a 30-30 barrel out there? I'm looking for a load using a Nosler ballistic tip 150 or 165 gr. bullet at 2400-2500+/- FPS. Accurate and flat shooting with about 1100 Ft.Lbs. of energy at 300 yards. I plan to mount a Leupold 2-7x33 scope on the rifle. Not that I've taken a deer before at that range, maybe half being my farthest shot. I would just like to know the rifle is capable if the proper shot presented itself.
Last season I used 150gr. Hornady SST's and 32 gr. of 322 and got(I guess) about 2400fps. Put 3 rds. under .75 inches at 100yards. I used a Lee Loader, so that the case is fire-formed to my chamber, and necksizing only. Good luck....Great cartridge from a T/C G2. Killed two with it last season. Both went about ten paces(actually staggers!)
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Old 07-13-2006, 02:59 PM
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Last season I used 150gr. Hornady SST's and 32 gr. of 322 and got(I guess) about 2400fps. Put 3 rds. under .75 inches at 100yards. I used a Lee Loader, so that the case is fire-formed to my chamber, and necksizing only. Good luck....Great cartridge from a T/C G2. Killed two with it last season. Both went about ten paces(actually staggers!)

so the 30-30 lee loader can load spitzers and not only round nose bullets?
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Old 07-13-2006, 03:57 PM
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Short answer is "yes it can". The seater punch is the key. May or may not deform the nose of the bullet? Might be a matter of technique in bullet seating, or a modification of the of the seater punch to fit the bullet you intend to use.

I don't use a Lee loader for 30-30 so I can't say from experiance.

Take a look to see how the bullet nose fits the punch. Try one round and see what it looks like? Post your results and I will help as I can.
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Old 07-14-2006, 06:57 AM
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I have yet to distort any plastic-tipped bullet. I use a plastic mallet to seat the bullet at the cannelure on the bullet, which puts it a few thousandths off the lands in my chamber. The year before, I loaded Sierra 125gr. HP flat nose at about 2500fps. I hit a buck straight on at the Xiphoid process, and found the jacket in his pelvis. Complete disruption of the aorta. 40 yard shot, he ran maybe 30 yards.
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Old 08-03-2006, 11:12 AM
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Any Thompsom Center G2 shooters with a 30-30 barrel out there? I'm looking for a load using a Nosler ballistic tip 150 or 165 gr. bullet at 2400-2500+/- FPS. Accurate and flat shooting with about 1100 Ft.Lbs. of energy at 300 yards. I plan to mount a Leupold 2-7x33 scope on the rifle. Not that I've taken a deer before at that range, maybe half being my farthest shot. I would just like to know the rifle is capable if the proper shot presented itself.
I'm shooting, and loading for, a G2 pistol, 14" barrel, in 30-30 WCF.

My best load, after two years of working on it, is:

Hornady #3021, 130 grain bullet
H335 powder - 36.0 grains
CCI 200 primer
W-W brass

I use the Redding full length re-sizing body die, the Redding bushing neck-sizing die and the Hornady bullet seating die, no crimp. I do pay particular attention to both case and finished cartridge runout, using the Forster dial indicating setup; I limit that runout to .003".

Ballistically, the above load yields 2250 fps MV. Zeroing the pistol at 100 yards means less than 1" deviation from zero all the way to 125 yards; at 150 yards, hold over 2.45". Note, also, that at 150 yards you have 992 ft-lbs energy. Since I believe 1000 ft-lbs is the minimum for white tail deer, this is my distance limit. I see that you are looking for 300 yard performance, but this is not the caliber for it.

Finally, the above load, in the T/C pistol (with extensive work by Mike Bellm, www.bellmtcs.com) consistently groups well under 1" at 100 yards from a decent rest.
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Old 08-31-2006, 08:30 AM
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Any Thompsom Center G2 shooters with a 30-30 barrel out there? I'm looking for a load using a Nosler ballistic tip 150 or 165 gr. bullet at 2400-2500+/- FPS. Accurate and flat shooting with about 1100 Ft.Lbs. of energy at 300 yards. I plan to mount a Leupold 2-7x33 scope on the rifle. Not that I've taken a deer before at that range, maybe half being my farthest shot. I would just like to know the rifle is capable if the proper shot presented itself.
Howdy Powder finger: In Shooting times magazine, Nov 05, Layne Simpson, has an article on the 30-30 in a G2. Here's the loads he lists for it, maybe they will give you what you're looking for. Hornady 150gr, interbond, Reloader 15, 34grs, 2247fps, Hornady 150gr. SST H4895 34grs. 2482fps, Hornady 165gr, SST W748 34gr. 2249fps, Nosler 165gr ballistic tip, BL-C(2) 36grs. 2257fps. and also, Swift 165gr, Scirocco, W748 34grs. 2214fps .Also consider using a Barnes bullet, they kill real well, and are accurate in most guns. Well I hope this helps you out some, oh yeah, he used Rem, and Win brass. The 150SST, Win brass, all the rest he used Rem brass. Later my friend, good luck be safe, and enjoy. ButchB!!
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Old 09-12-2006, 10:15 PM
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I've got a Model 157 .30/30, and just recently started reloading (but am guided by my uncle who's done it for 40 years). I can tell you what I've found so far and how I'm doing things. My first suggestion is to get the "One book, one caliber" thing from Cabela's...lists loads from Sierra, Speer, Nosler, Hornady, etc. as well as the powder compainies. They're around $7. There are loads from 110 grain up to 170, and 180 as well (cast only on the 180).

As far as the Lee dies go, if you're picky, you may have problems. I noticed that there is alot of variation in the COL you get, but I'm pretty sure it's due to variation in the bullets. With Nosler Ballistic Tips (165 grain), the tip or somewhere above the o-give hits in the plug, and the inside diameter of the plug is only about .260, so it's going to allow for alot of variation. If you're picky, get a comparator and measure everything off the o-give of the bullet and just back the seating stem out and ease down to the proper length.

I loaded up some Nosler 165 grain Ballistic Tips with 28 grains of IMR 3031 and got about a 1" group. I also did the same with some 125 grain Sierra spitzers with 31 grains of IMR 3031. These loads may do better yet with a more experienced shooter than myself, and I don't have top of the line optics (cheapy Tasco from walmart) either. One option I'm looking at is seeing if the seater plug from my .300 Win Mag die will fit in the .30/30 die and possibly work better for obtaining consistent seating depths.

Oh yeah...good luck with seating your bullets out to the O-give if that is your goal...I have the 125 grain loads seated out as far as I dare and they don't come close.

In short, I haven't noticed any deformation of the tips in the dies, and have successfully loaded some rounds. It just takes a little work to get some truly consistent rounds loaded up.
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Old 09-27-2006, 03:27 AM
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I am a TC shooter, got a 14" 30 WCF and I have yet to find a load that will shoot anywhere near what a factory 170 gr. Winchester load will shoot, in that weight range.

I have had some good luck with Sierra's 170 gr FN pro hunters and a starting load of Win748.
Hornady also makes a nice 30 WCF bullet, a 150 gr. RN that works pretty good at my velocities. Using RL-7 for that load.
Plinking loads with 110 gr. JRN and a dose of 4227 make for pleasant shooting at 50-100 yards.


Now, you have a single shot which is a big plus in the accuracy column, IMO. Its already been stated that you can neck size, seat the bullets out, and use spitzer bullets. Depending on what you want to do, however, I would start off by slugging the bore. After you do this, you may wish to use cast bullets sized a few thou larger than the measurement instead of a jacketed bullet...use gas-checked bullets if you want more performance. Remember, before all those fancy jacketed boolits came along, critters were getting just as dead with lead.


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Old 09-28-2006, 11:31 AM
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With the pointy bullets have gotten real good accuracy out of 150 gr Remmington SP, 34.5 grains Varget and WLR Primer, overall bullet length 2.70 in my 30-30 Handi. Have also used 150 gr Hornady SP but got a little better group out of the Remmingtons. Also used CCI primers without any noticeable difference in the groups. Be carefull how far out you seat the bullet. If you seat to the crimp ring it will stick in the lands on the Handi and accuracy is bad ... push it in past the crimp ring.

Yes you can seat pointy bullets with the Classic Lee Loader ... I do it all the time. I have a full press but like to revert back sometimes.

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