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Old 09-11-2006, 09:22 AM
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Hello all-

This is my first note here on your forums.
Hope all's well with you all...


I've been interested in setting up for the 25-25 stevens, and at this point already have sixty or so pieces of modern production virgin brass and a set of dies.
I know about it's shorter-cased sibling, and that fouling and extraction issues were the reason to go with the shorter case waaay back when - and I'm guessing that with modern smokeless powders these issues won't be present as a problem for me.

Is anyone here shooting the 25-25 or know of any fairly recently developed loads for the chambering using modern bullets and powders?


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Old 09-11-2006, 02:12 PM
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Hello all-

This is my first note here on your forums.
Hope all's well with you all...


I've been interested in setting up for the 25-25 stevens, and at this point already have sixty or so pieces of modern production virgin brass and a set of dies.
I know about it's shorter-cased sibling, and that fouling and extraction issues were the reason to go with the shorter case waaay back when - and I'm guessing that with modern smokeless powders these issues won't be present as a problem for me.

Is anyone here shooting the 25-25 or know of any fairly recently developed loads for the chambering using modern bullets and powders?


--Tinker
First off, Welcome to the forum. While I don't reload or shoot the 25/25 Stevens, I will give you the only load I could find listed for it in the Handloaders Manual for cartridge conversions. They list 9.0 grains of IMR 4198 powder behind an 86 grain cast bullet for 1350 FPS. The same Manual states that your case capacity is 28.77 CC's of water.

While I shoot a .25/222 Copperhead which has 25.59 grain capacity of water I would hesitate to try loads for this cartridge in your rifle, as it is a higher intensity cartridge, and I am assuming that you are firing an original Stevens Single Shot. Such loads could prove disastrous.

Remember this cartridge was for designed black powder loadings originally, and your barrel is probably designed for Black Powder. You might try loads of Black Powder, or it's subsitutes and get good target quality groups. If you do, remember to clean your cases immeditely after shooting, not a couple of days or a week later.

At least with new brass You don't have to make your own,
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Old 09-11-2006, 02:46 PM
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about this project...

Thanks for your note-

Something I should have said first is that I won't be running old barrel steel.

What I'm up to here is somewhat similar to what many others have done with numerous sharps cartridges or the 45-70, I'm using the brass and the chamber dims, but not necessarily the original ballistics.

I'm setting a .410 shotgun with a new set of barrels for use as a mini-express double rifle.
(been a machinist for decades, also very highly proficient with a torch in welding and brazing operations and I know what I'm getting into there)
Perhaps I should have asked if anyone here knew of anyone who's ever taken this cartridge and hot-rodded it to some extent in a Contender or something to that effect.

Sorry for any misunderstanding there.

I'd seen 25-20 and 25-35 hot rodded to similar end, and thought that someone, somewhere might have some experience doing so with the little 25-25

If I end up simply not being able to run the 117gr RN bullets, I'll be just fine with things. I'm interested to see what's been done in the hotrod department with this one though.



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Old 09-11-2006, 03:53 PM
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Welcome to the Forum. I will be interested in hearing about your interesting project. Be sure to give us a few updates as the project develops.

Handloader No. 188, September 1997 has an article entitled Cartridges From Down Under by Greg Matthews.
This article deals with a TC Contender rifle with barrels for the .28-30 Stevens, .25-25 Stevens and a few other interesting cartridges.

Matthews used a 1-10" barrel and found the cartridge easy to work with. He shot the 117 grain Sierra SPBT bullet. The 75 grain Sierra gave him 2,800 fps, the 117 grain bullet 2,000 fps, to 2,100 fps with different powders. He felt the 85 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip was the most useful bullet. The 85 to 87 grain bullet has a potential in the 2,500 to 2,600 fps range.

He felt the modern .25-25 Stevens could be compared with the .25-303. He felt a 1 in 8" twist might be ideal for the rifle. Forum member Greg Mushial feels the slow twist .25 caliber rifles have a greater unexplored potential and his initial experiments support this idea.

Matthews felt Hodgdon 4198SC was an ideal powder for the cartridge.
If I remeber correctly Hodgdon 322 did well in this cartridge.

Gerald O. Kelver lists some light loads for old Schuetzen rifles in his books.

I went with the .25-35 and then to the .25-35AI as I was looking for a little higher velocity from the heavy bullets (100grains and over)
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Old 09-11-2006, 07:53 PM
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Pressures and bullet weight...

Thanks-

I'll share what progress I gain in the next few months on this.
I have a little 14 month old daughter, stuff like this project seem to get a lot of idle time on the bench.
Fine with me though. I'm in no hurry.

I've done a little bit of looking into pressures.

Do you recall or can you look into what the pressures were for those loads?
Do you know if any of those loads were pressure tested?


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Old 09-12-2006, 04:24 AM
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[QUOTE=a.tinkerer]
I've done a little bit of looking into pressures.

Do you recall or can you look into what the pressures were for those loads?
Do you know if any of those loads were pressure tested?]Quote

It has been awhile since I read this article. I dont remember any mention of pressure. There was no mention of extractoion difficulties or brass problems. The author specificly stated the .25-25 was easy to work with.
If you get a chance seat a spent primer in a case, weigh it and then fill it with water and give me the weight of the case filled with water. I'll put it on the Powley computer and see what he estimates for pressure.
I have looked at most of the small .25's over the years. I believe this is the small game caliber. I sure enjoy reloading and shooting them.

[Edit - I dont think I have posted this picture before. From left to right the .25 Hornet .25-20WCF .256 Win Mag .25-357 Max (long neck) .25-20 SS .25-21 Stevens .25-25 Stevens .25-35 .25-36 Marlin

You might try your question on the Yahoo groups run by Charles Hamilton. I wouuld try Schuetzen Chat, Schuetzen, CB-L and Reload-L. Some of the Beartooth forum memebers from OZ may know the author.

ReEdit] Sorry about that. I thought I attached it. I would like to see anyones .25-.222. I have one in my collection and would like to compare dimensions.
I'll work up a link to the Yahoo Groups
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Old 09-12-2006, 08:06 AM
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Thanks again-

I don't see any photo there though.

Could you post web addresses to the places you just spoke of?


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Old 09-12-2006, 06:15 PM
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Could you post web addresses to the places you just spoke of? --Tinker

Here are some links to Charles Hamiltons Lists. I prefer the Beartooth forum but there is a lot to learn from these lists. You will need a Yahho Groups account before joining a group. I suggest you change your preference to Daily Digest to avoid overwhelming your mail box. You may wish to choose No Mail until you have looked around at the files sections of each list. I prefer the traditional format for messages. The search function works well. The Cast Bullet Association List is an excellent list but the focus is different from the Beartooth Forum. I would ask my question on the Reload List, be assured that most of the participants are members of all the lists. Charles knows EVERYONE so if the “modern” .25-25 Stevens has been discussed before he will point you in the right direction.

Reload List

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group...yguid=68789957


Cast bullet Association

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/cbaforum/


Chas Hamilton Cast Bullet List

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group...yguid=68789957


Chas Hamilton Schuetzen

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group...yguid=68789957


Chas Hamilto Chat room about anything

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group...yguid=68789957
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