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Old 12-03-2006, 11:11 AM
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i have been looking at the c sharps 1875 sporting rifle in 50-140 cal. my concern is the availability of brass and other reloading products. has anybody dealt with this caliber and had any problems
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I would love to have one too. Don't worry about loading gear, it is out there. I have friends loading for much more odd ball calibres. I have one buddy with a .500x3 1/4" express double rifle, that is a similar calibre, the 2 rifles probably use the same basic case as far as I know.
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Old 12-09-2006, 07:56 AM
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Buffalo Arms has brass and the rest of the goodies too.

http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cf...atid=38&step=2

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thank you very much. buffalo arms seem to have everything i could need
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Old 12-09-2006, 07:07 PM
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My Shiloh Sharps is a 14 lb 50/90, with a 620 Brooks mould bullet. Go to www.shilohrifle forums and look for bobw or Kurt or Lee Stone. I shot with Bob at the Quigley match--he was using a 10.5 lb 50/140 with approximately 550 grain paper patched bullets. I'd talk to Bob and some of the others AND I'd think about an 1874 Sharps for the set triggers among other things. Shiloh fans are pretty opinionated--and rightly so!--but C. Sharps needs to work on public relations, among other things.

Try to find someone with a BIG 50 so that you can shoot a few rounds through their gun. 50/90 might be as much fun as you can stand. (Mine has a recoil reducer in the butt stock and that helps on a target session. I usually do about 20 rounds at a time.) The price of dies and components is a consideration and the choices are very limited in the 50/140.

BUT I'D GET WHAT I WANTED AND TO **** WITH THE COST!!
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:01 AM
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i currently have a 30-378 wby and a ruger #1 in 416 rigby. the recoil couldnt be much worse than the rigby. it is quite tolerable. it does get your attention though. the dies at buffalo arms are very reasonable compared to the only other option. the brass is as cheap as my wby or rigby. i have always been intrigued by the old buffalo guns. but thank you for the thoughts.
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50/140 in anything over a 12 pound rifle is a pussy cat,you should try shooting an 8 pound .577 Nitro Express in my Westley Richards Falling Block,that will shake your fillings out of your teeth,I have been thinking about getting a Badger Barrel in 50/140 for my Sharps but I am not shure if they will ship one to me here in France. My .475 No2 Nitro Express in a Jeffery Single shot is about the heaviest recoil I have experienced (heavier that a .460 Weatherby) but that only weighs about 9 pounds,still the most fun you can have with your clothes on though.
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Old 11-02-2008, 05:56 AM
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If you want something that will get AlGore diving you dirty looks about a carbon foot print try an 8 bore double rifle. A friend of mine over in Laramie has one. It weights 20 pounds and even though it has 26 inch barrels it still looks like a sawed off shotgun it shoots a.1,100-grain bullet at 1,500 fps, 400 grains of black powder. You don't want to shoot this howitzer at and indoor range..
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Just as a technical correction, there never was a 50-140 Sharps. In fact, it's doubtful if any 19th century rifle manufacturer ever offered this chambering.

fo those shooters who are interested in authenticity, the 50-90 would be a better choice.

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Just as a technical correction, there never was a 50-140 Sharps. In fact, it's doubtful if any 19th century rifle manufacturer ever offered this chambering.

fo those shooters who are interested in authenticity, the 50-90 would be a better choice.
This is not correct the 50-140 Sharps did indeed exist it was introduced as special order cartridge for Sharps-Borchardt Model 1878, circa 1880 at the very tail end of buffalo hide hunting. Winchester loaded this cartridge as well but they called it the 50-140 Winchester Express and was loaded in the Winchester Hi Wall rifle. Both the Sharps and the Winchester cartridges where loaded with a 475 grain paper patched bullet (PPB) at advertised velocity of 1580 FPS, with 2530 FP, or it could be had with a 700 grain PPB 1355 FPS, and 2850 FP. Because it arrived at the end of the viable Buffalo hunting years very few rifles where built in the cartridge, there simply was no longer a need for a cartridge with such power.

I personally would not go with a 50-140 they have no real advantage over the 50-100, or for that matter the 45-70, or 45-90. The big disadvantage with the 45-110, and the 50-140 is the large loads of black powder fouling the barrel for not much of a return in ballistic.performance. One trick that Ned Roberts and the black powder shooters before WW2 did was to add 2 or 3 grains of a single base shotgun powder to the black powder load. This was not for increased power but to help keep down the fouling.
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"One trick that Ned Roberts and the black powder shooters before WW2 did was to add 2 or 3 grains of a single base shotgun powder to the black powder load. This was not for increased power but to help keep down the fouling."
Indeed. Paul Matthews, also, did extensive work with duplex BP loads. His book about BP cartridge shooting has that info. Lyman's Cast Bullet Handbook has load info for the 50-140, including duplex loading.
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I'm looking at Fladerman's Guide to Antique Firearms, 8th Edition; specifically the Sharps-Borchardt Model 1878 rifle. (pgs 175 & 176)
Of the various models described, the most powerful was the Express rifle in 45 x 2 7/8. ( commonly known today as the 45-110) I cannot find any reference to any 50 caliber offerings in this rifle.

There were about 8700 1878 rifles made starting in 1878 and continuing until the company ceased operations in 1881.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:15 AM
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Barnes "Cartridges of the World" has a short history for each of the cartridges in the book. The note about the 50-140 Sharps/50-140 Winchester is that it was special order and was "introduced in 1880, but specific reference is lacking.......None of the Sharps catalogs lists this cartridge for chambering." (p.158)
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The confusion is the way cartridges where sold at the time. Most people hand loaded these specials and the ammo companies furnished basic cases. The only difference between any of the 50 caliber cartridges was the length of the case. So the basic case was trimmed to what ever the hunter was using. So while their where rifles chambered in the 50-140 there was very little factory loaded ammo for them.
What few people used this cartridge rolled their own. If you look at Winchester Cartridge displays circa 1880 you will see the 50-140 Winchester Express which was the same cartridge as the 50-140 Sharpes.
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