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Old 02-29-2008, 08:47 PM
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I'm thinking about getting a NE or H&R rifle. But, I was wondering, does anybody else offer barrels for the things?
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Old 03-01-2008, 02:32 AM
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I don't believe so, but many are available from H&R/NEF.
Wrongtarget could certainly give a definitive answer, and then some.

If you don't visit there already try this for a wealth of info about these arms:http://www.go2gbo.com/forums//index.php

Here specifically: http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php?board=126.0
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Old 03-01-2008, 08:57 AM
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As Hammerspur mentioned, H&R does a lot of accessory barrel chamberings, but they have reduced the selection somewhat this year, many of the superlight and stainless barrels are no longer made, they're working from exisiting stock, when those are gone....

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.aspx

MartsCustom used to make barrels, but they went out of business about 4yrs ago, so the only way to get a custom barrel is to have a gunsmith rechamber/rebore and existing barrel or weld a donor underlug to a barrel blank, or find someone that stubs barrels using a donor barrel. Wayne York of Oregunsmithing as done rechambers and rebores for me and has a building me a 6.5x55 with a donor underlug and Shilen blank. So far he's made me a 338-06 A-Square from a 26" 25-06 barrel, a 405 Winchester from a 28" 38-55 Target barrel, and rechambered a 357Max barrel to 35 Remington as well as a 280 Rem rechambered to 280 Improved. He's done a lot of work for many members at GBO, his 6 groove cut rifling is sweet!!

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I wrote to H&R requesting information on which caliber/gages they offered for my Huntsman. They sent me back a catalog of what was available through their "barrel accessory program". Send them the model and serial # and they'll tell you whats compatible. The prices seemed reasonable but you have to send them your action to be fitted. BTW the correspondence came back in a Remmington envelope.
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Old 02-12-2010, 09:15 PM
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First there was H&R/NEF then there was H&R/NEF/Marlin then there was H&R/NEF/Marlin/Remington/Private Equity Company. Cat eats mouse - Dog eats cat.
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One thing to remember with the H&R or NEF is that you have to send the gun in to have the barrel fitted. It's not like the T/C in that regard.
I have been thinking of getting an extra barrel for one of mine though. I've got a 223 bull barrel and a 17 HMR, so getting an extra barrel with open sites that could shoot bigger varmints to keep in the truck sounds like a good idea to me.
Only problem is that I can get an encore or contender barrel for about the same money and it's less trouble since I don't have to send the gun in.
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Old 02-13-2010, 04:11 AM
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One thing to remember with the H&R or NEF is that you have to send the gun in to have the barrel fitted. It's not like the T/C in that regard.
I have been thinking of getting an extra barrel for one of mine though. I've got a 223 bull barrel and a 17 HMR, so getting an extra barrel with open sites that could shoot bigger varmints to keep in the truck sounds like a good idea to me.
Only problem is that I can get an encore or contender barrel for about the same money and it's less trouble since I don't have to send the gun in.
I have 2 H&R SB2 (heavier) frames, with 2 barrels for each. They are a 50 cal ML/.243 Winchester combo that I bought for my son and a 30-'06 barrel that came with a .357Mag, which was rechambered to a wildcat.

You do have to send the barrel in, or have a good gunsmith set the headspace, but in the checking I've done the barrels are MUCH less expensive than the Encore! Per their website, most of the SB2 compatible rifle barrels cost $96, with the "expensive" ones going for $131. The Encore barrels listed on Midway's site cost 2 to 2.5 times as much as the H&R barrels. Even when you factor in the shipping cost of sending your gun to their factory, it still costs a good bit less.

Also, the member known on these pages as "ASSASSIN" does some beautiful work with H&R guns, including the barrel-stubbing technique mentioned above, and he has told me that the quality of the H&R barrels is very good...he prefers them over the Encore barrels.

One thing to keep in mind when comparing these two actions is this: The Contender and Encore don't require a gunsmith to check the headspacing, but many guys have their T/C actions worked on, including over-sized hinge pins, to tighten them up. With the H&R frame, they insist the work be done by them so there is no danger of a serious headspace problem. I think T/C has an improved design and tighter tolerances...I think they make a great product! For the money, though, the H&R is nearly as good and if you're looking at the cost of the action along with 1 or 2 extra barrels, it costs HALF AS MUCH. Sounds like money a guy could put toward a couple of really good scopes.
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One thing to keep in mind when comparing these two actions is this: The Contender and Encore don't require a gunsmith to check the headspacing, but many guys have their T/C actions worked on, including over-sized hinge pins, to tighten them up. With the H&R frame, they insist the work be done by them so there is no danger of a serious headspace problem. I think T/C has an improved design and tighter tolerances...I think they make a great product! For the money, though, the H&R is nearly as good and if you're looking at the cost of the action along with 1 or 2 extra barrels, it costs HALF AS MUCH. Sounds like money a guy could put toward a couple of really good scopes.
I do know about the quality of H&R. Surprised the heck out of me the way my 223 shoots. A gun that cheap shouldn't shoot that well!! It was a real S.O.B. getting the trigger on the H&R trigger the way I wanted it, but I have since found a gunsmith that will do it for $35. That's a no brainer for me with the amount of work that it was to get the trigger right on mine. I'm still working to figure out my 17 HMR, but I'm sure that if I put some time into it and have the trigger work done it will be a shooter also.
As for the T/C mods, the over size hinge pin is a Mike Bellum thing that most agree isn't needed, and his stuff to install it yourself is a good way to destroy a good gun. If you do have a rare T/C that you think needs to be tighter, there is a pin that expands (I think with a screw action), and that's the safe way to do it.
Easy to do a trigger job on the encore and it's a real shooter with simple tune up.

I have to agree though that the H&R is a great value for a very good gun. Fit and finnish on them is poor. I could take at least 1/8" off of the wood all around where it mates to the metal, but I don't care because it's a good shooter and it's cheap.
I have never had one bigger than the .223, but would love an '06 with a decent 4 power scope or open sights to keep in the truck! Would love to see if a non bull barrel version and a higher power larger caliber round can shoot with the .223 that I have.
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The most recent H&R barrel that I'm working with is the 358GNR wildcat, from Gary Reeder, in AZ. Using Hornady 180gr SSP's and 30gr of IMR-4198, I put 3 shots into a group that measures .300". This, from a wildcat that has cost less than $700 for the original barrel, gunsmithing work, dies AND the brass/primers/bullets/powder used for the first loads! I know guys who think nothing of spending 4-5 times that much on a custom, bolt-action, wildcat chambered gun...and I assure you their groups aren't any better.

It's dang near impossible to beat the value of the little H&Rs, even though the fit and finish is pretty awful. The funny thing is I've talked to the folks at the factory several times and they are committed to their business model of keeping things simple and keeping things cheap! They will not do any custom chamberings and when I suggested they offer a "premium" line of buttstocks and foreends with excellent finish and wood grain, they politely declined, saying that isn't what their target market is interested in. As long as they keep offering good-shooting guns at very reasonable prices, I'm not going to complain too much.

If I ever just HAVE TO have a better finish and look to my one of my H&Rs, I'll send it to David White and he'll do his magic.
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Ive had a 280, 22-250, and currently have a 22 hornet and a 50 ML. They all shoot great. The only one I had a problem with was the 22-250, which the action would break open when fired. That was weird, sent it to the factory to be repaired, along with a request for an additional 45-70 barrel, long story short the rifle was repaired, but the 45-70 never showed up. That was kinda dissapoiting. I love the Handy Rifles though, their a lot of bang for the buck.One day Id like to have the Buffalo Classic, with the 28" 45-70 barrel and apeture peep sights.
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Old 02-14-2010, 05:54 AM
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Did they just take your $$$ ? I can't believe they will not make things right.
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NO money changed hands, I sent the gun back to be repaired, which it was, the dealer that handled it for me said that if I placed a note in the box witht he rifle with my request, I would be contacted by H R with the amount owed. I tried contacting H R as well, all to no avail. Four months after mailing off my rifle, it came back repaired, just no extra barrel. What is the proper way to contact them to purchase a new barrel?
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Old 02-14-2010, 06:46 AM
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Good question - I'm a caller - as many times as it take to find a "friend" in customer service. I have not had a new barrel fitted. I would call them and I believe you can ship it yourself so you have more control over the process. Call them and find a "friend" in customer service and keep asking for that person if possible.
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i called many times, usually after 25 or 30 minutes on hold i gave up. this was a while back, maybe they were just unusually busy. i still like my hany rifles, i think theyre a great rifle for the money.i was thinking about a wildcat project awhile back, but learned through this site that theyre not rated for magnum cartridges, so kinda gave up on the idea.
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Huh,What ??

Matt,you saying that the NEF/Handi-Rifles ARE NOT rated for magnum cartridges.

I can't figure out why not....unless it has something to do with the overall size(width) of the round or maybe it's a belt thang ?? The action will surely handle the pressure. -----pruhdlr
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Old 02-14-2010, 07:29 AM
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If they can handle 3,500 plus ft lbs in 45/70 then they are plenty strong.
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Pruhdlr,

That has been a mystery to me too, because they do, or did, chamber their SB2 for the 500S&W, which is certainly a very high-pressure round! However, I did hear that cartridge caused many problems with actions popping open, so maybe that wasn't such a great round to chamber? Still, you'd think they could handle the WSSM line or maybe if rimmed cartridges are better, the 375 Winchester. I think the simple truth is they try to keep things simple and safe, by going with chamberings they know won't be too much for the gun and that customers will continue to buy, year after year. As inexpensive as their barrels are, there can't be much of a margin on them, so they probably have to stick with options they can actually sell. That doesn't keep you from buying a $100 barrel and having it rechambered to something a little different/better, though. Just make sure what you choose is something your 'smith thinks will be safe because these actions DO have their limitations.
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Frst Thought

The first thought to come to mind is,as you say,the 500 and 460 S&W Mag. Both are (IIRC) a 65K psi chambering. With case head thrust to boot. Given this,the action would surely handle some of the 50-55K PSI "magnums".

IMO the action would be at least as strong as the Encore's. -pruhdlr
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I was thinking of rechambering a 25-06 to the 257 Scramjet. Think it would work? Is the rifling fast enough? Would the rifle action handle it?
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Thought About.......

.......the .25-06AI ?? It will come awfully close to the 257 Wby mag velocities without the belt and the expense of brass. The twist rate would be comperable also. The NEF/Handi-Rifle would definately handle the AI pressures.

Speakin' of expense......check the price of that Scramjet brass. And dies?? Yeeeeeeowza !! ----pruhdlr
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