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Old 05-12-2008, 10:46 PM
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Let's say you want to buy the single-shot model that offers the most out-of-the-box accuracy. What would you buy?

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Old 05-12-2008, 11:09 PM
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For me it was the Ruger #1. Great accuracy, great looks, great feel.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:08 AM
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If accuracy is the name of the game the Ruger # 1 will shoot better than all the others, it's probably the best traditional Single Shot rifle ( non-bolt action ) ever made when it comes to accuracy, some may cost more but I've never seen any of the high price stuff shoot better than a Ruger # 1
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Old 05-18-2008, 10:58 AM
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I've always wanted a No.1 but I've heard too many stories about some of them not being accurate.I might still get one. I am now shooting a Model 97D from E. Arthur Brown -- you can't just buy it off the shelf, it will take about 3-4 months to get one but the price is similar to a No.1 -- and my truck gun is a NEF Handi-Rifle. The Model 97D is very, very accurate and I've never been disappointed with a Handi-Rifle and I've owned a number of them.
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Old 05-18-2008, 02:33 PM
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Hi Sunday Creek,
I've heard the same thing. I don't know who the guys are that start that kind of talk, sometimes I wonder if they ever owned a # 1. Bottom line is what is accurate ?, how much accuracy do you require, please don't forget, the # 1 is not a Target Rifle, but I believe it's been proven that the # 1 is one of the most accurate traditional Single Shot rifles ( two piece stock ) ever made, bar none.

Unlike some that just seem to talk about how poor they shoot, others go and shoot them in competition, in front of witnesses and other shooters, where groups can be measured and targets scored.

The current World Bench Rest Record for a Ruger # 1 in 30 caliber is held with a gun that E. Arthur Brown re-barreled to a 308 Bisley Match, the record was set in 2006 and still stands, it's .459, for two 5 shot groups at 100 yds. ( that's 10 shots guys ).

That's under a half inch. I don't think you will find many other traditional two piece stock Single Shot rifles that will do better, granted it was a custom barreled gun but the record set for a 22 caliber is .416 for two 5 shot groups at 100 yds. again 10 shots and set with a factory # 1, and the record for a 243 ( 6 MM ) caliber is .442 for two 5 shot groups at 100 yds., ( 10 shots ), again set with a factory gun. That's under a half inch for all three different calibers.

I think it can be said that Ruger # 1's can/will shoot under half inch 5 shot groups at 100 yds. Again, please don't forget, it's a Hunting Rifle, if a hunter needs something more accurate than that he's probably not a hunter, he's a target shooter.

And yes, I know a bolt action single shot may shoot a bit better but a bolt action is not a Traditional Single Shot Rifle.

I've heard that the Model 97-D is also a very accurate traditional Single Shot rifle but have never heard of anyone shooting one in a Match or saying exactly how tight a 5 shot group it will shoot, just that they are very accurate. What caliber is your 97-D and just how accurate is it.
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:56 PM
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Single-Shot - My 97D is a 6.5BRM. I haven't had it long enough to find its best load and see what it can really do. As for the Number Ones, I still have a craving for one, but several factors have bothered me: accuracy issues (be they real or imagined), weight, and caliber selection. I did read a thorough article in Varmint Hunter a few years back where a gunsmith did extensive testing between a No. 1 and a Handi-Rifle and the Ruger didn't fare too well. (No. 1 fans don't jump on me, I'm only reporting. Besides, I have owned a number of Rugers and even have a personal letter from Bill Ruger in my files.) Still hope to have a No. 1 if the right one comes along.
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Old 05-18-2008, 05:45 PM
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I have a twenty something year old #1a in 7x57 that is beautiful rifle that is great to carry but accurate it ain't. I attribute this to a barrel with a throat so long that even the longest bullets won't come near the lands. I have been meaning to have it rebarreled for quite some time. I have a friend with a #1B in 270 that is a real tack driver. This with no mods except trigger.
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I'm a 97D man, too -- mine's in .300 BRM, and 3-shot 1/2MOA groups are no trick --but the #1 can certainly be quite accurate. They can also be maddeningly inaccurate. The most common problem comes from the forearm attachment. It looks like it would be a good arrangement for accuracy, but sometimes it clearly isn't. There are fixes, though, which basically provide a means of putting a bit of tension on the barrel. A friend had a #1 in .270 that wouldn't group under 4" at 100 yards until he installed a screw thru the forearm hanger that allowed him to put upward pressure on the barrel. After experimenting with the tension for about 15 minutes, it shot -- and still shoots, after many years -- sub-MOA groups with numerous loads.
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Old 05-19-2008, 02:58 PM
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Please don't forget, the Ruger # 1 is a factory production rifle, not much different than any other production rifle.

The question was:
"Let's say you want to buy the single-shot model that offers the most out-of-the-box accuracy. What would you buy ?"

I take that "out-of-the-box accuracy" to mean a factory production rifle. In my experience all out-of-the-box factory production rifles can use some tinkering to get the most out of them, no matter what action style, some may take more tinkering than others.

I would think that the M-97-D is somewhat of a semi custom rifle rather than a production rifle being that each one is hand fitted one at a time, with that in mind I think it would take less tinkering to get tight groups.

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Old 05-19-2008, 03:29 PM
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Of the last two Ruger #1's I've dealt with, an old 79 243 #1B and a brand new laminated stocked stainless Varmint #1 in 204 Ruger both shot well under an inch with no tinkering, but like any rifle folks are always doing things to them to make smaller holes in stuff. The 204 is shooting ragged five shot one hole groups at a hundred yards.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:36 PM
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The only #1 I've owned shot mediocre at best, and had other annoying habits I did not like, such as having the extractor slip over the rim of the case sometimes.

In a big game rifle, the accuracy might have been acceptable, but in the 22-250 varmint version that I owned it wasn't even near adequate.

So, you can count me among those who have had trouble with a #1.

I bet a Blaser would be accurate out of the box, but I think the box is pretty expensive!
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:09 PM
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Well,
Every gun is different. I've owned and shot 11 different # 1's and never had a function problem or a accuracy problem that could not be taken care of very easy.

I can see where you could have an extractor problem if the extractor spring was weak or missing, but again it's an easy fix.

At one time the 22-250 held the 22 caliber # 1 group record with a .633 group, I think it was in 2005, held the record till the Fall of 2007 when it was broaken with a .416 group, so there's a few guys that are shooting them very well.
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Old 05-19-2008, 07:34 PM
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I had a Ruger #1A that shot quite well (1 inch groups), but my Winchester 1885 High Wall Hunter is definitely more accurate - most accurate rifle I've owned. It's capable of 1/2 inch groups with the right ammo. I would guess that either action (Ruger #1 or Winchester/Browning 1885) could be set for exceptional accuracy.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:25 PM
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I agree, and think most any Falling Block can be set up to shoot better than any other Single Shot, except the Bolt Actions of course. The Rolling Blocks and Top Breaks just don't make it.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:36 AM
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I have several Ruger No.1. They are beautiful,well made, superb handling rifles. They have been the most finicky rifles I own! There is an 06 that shot four different bullet weights into 21/8" 12 shot group. There is the .300 which a spotter stated you must be flinching. Chnging to 200gr Speer load it immediately put 3 bullets touching. You might be lucky, or you might have to search for that load. New manufacture may have improved consistency but his rifle can be a challenge. My Browning 78 are in another classin terms of accuracy.
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Old 05-21-2008, 08:04 PM
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Jim, I have 5 single shot barreled rifles. I have an Encore frame with a .223 Rem and a .308 Win barrel. Both barrels with scopes shot MOA or a little less out of the box with factory ammo. After a trigger job and with handloads, if Im up to it, both barrels shot around MOA.

I also have 2 Ruger No.1s. One is a No.1-A in a .257 Roberts and the other is a No.1-B in a .270 Weatherby Magnum. With scopes, both of these rifles shot 1 MOA out of the box with factory ammo. After a trigger jobs and with handloads, if Im up to it, both of these rifles will shot close to MOA.

I have had several NEFs and all shot well without any modifications, not even a scope. My current NEF I did modify with a peep sight and it shoots 1MOA groups with factory ammo.

So my advice is buy what you want. Shot it and modify as necessary to get the accuracy that you want.
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:09 PM
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What you could do is save enough pesos for a ruger #1, and then go buy 3 Handi's
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Old 06-09-2008, 12:51 PM
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I've got two #1B's that are very accurate out to 200 yards, which is as far as I'll have a shot available while hunting. The 7mm Rem mag is a bit better than the one that I had rechambered to 30/06 A.I.

However, I traded off a very fine revolver and an NEF .270 the other day for a 2003 model NIB Savage Model 12 BVSS-S in .308 Win. that the dealer had sitting around. It seems no one wanted to buy a bolt action Single shot rifle. I went to a range with a friend of mine, and after we got it tweaked a bit I put the last three shots in the 10 ring, touching the bullseye@ 200 yards on a somewhat windy day. I'm impressed.
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Old 06-21-2008, 04:03 AM
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I always wanted a ruger but did read over the years they are finicky some shoot some don't
I had a chance a few years back 2003 to pick up a H@R HANDI in 30-06 out of bass Pro on sale for $169.00 I thought for that price just may be a good deer hunting rifle to knock around .
I never did much to it but put a few hand load I use to use in my a3-03 and all I can say the gun shoots
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:39 AM
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You didn't say whether the rifle was for hunting or target shooting. If weight is not an issue, my money is on the Remington 40XB Rangemaster for best out of the box accuracy! I now have nine (9) of them! Talk about accuracy!! My one in .22 BR Remington shot a five-shot one hole group at 100 yards that measured less than .100 of an inch! Of course that was bolted in a machine rest!! Off the bench with me holding it doesn't quite come that close! But then that's due to me and not the gun!
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