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Old 11-30-2008, 05:04 PM
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Does any one know anything about the Savage 219 single shot. I saw an ad for a model 219 30-30. Is it a gun worth buying if it is in good condition? I wonder how it would compare to the NEF 30-30?

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Old 11-30-2008, 05:27 PM
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Believe you would be better served by the NEF. The Savage is a good old rifle that may be considered weak by some in that caliber. Parts are hard to come by if they should be needed. Price may be higher for a used Savage than a new NEF. Recent GunBroker auction for one was over $300.
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Old 12-02-2008, 06:08 AM
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I currently own three of them and consider them a much better rifle than the NEF. I especially like the smooth lines and slim, graceful contours. They have a much more reliable extractor/ejector than the NEF and a very short striker travel= fast lock time. It is true that parts are hard to find but there is little chance you'll ever need any. I also like the 26" barrel over the 22" NEF. They are chambered only for rather mild rounds, I have a 30/30, a .22 Hornet and a .22 K Hornet and the 26" barrel gets more out of those mild rounds. With the hammerless design one can mount a scope much lower than on an NEF where the scope bell has to clear the tall hammer and the 219 doesn't need an ugly and awkward hammer extension. It's largely a matter of esthetics but I just like the old 219 much better than the new NEFs. For that matter, even the old H&Rs were built much nicer than the new ones. No doubt the new NEFs are much stronger than the savage or the old H&R but they are plenty strong enough for the 30/30.
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Old 12-07-2008, 06:16 PM
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I own a 219 savage in 30-40 Krag Imp. (rechambered). It shoots very well and the Imp. case keeps pressures a little lower. I reload with a .30 cal universal neck sizing die. As coyotejoe said, the 26' barrel and long, slim asthetics make the 219 a nice rifle. You can replace the butstock with a stock from a savage 24V for a higher comb and better fit for scope use.
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I will tell you something else about the 219, I have one with the 30-30 barrel and a 16 gauge shotgun barrel. It also came with an interchangeable 20 gauge barrel but mor 16s than 20s.
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:01 PM
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Here is my 219, I need a rifle that fit in a pouch max 20 inch long or in a pack sack or a 4 wheel back seat box.
The maximum range required if used will be 50 to 75 yrd. The canadian law require that barrel must be at least 18.5" so to be on the safe side I give 1/4" more, recrown and change the front sight for a lower height refinish the stock and of to the range.... open sight at 50 or 75 yrds it print clusters !!!
Last year I install a scope.... my eyes need some help and with glasses I find difficult fast focusing ont the open sight.
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Old 12-10-2008, 06:08 PM
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Savage 219C

I have had my Savage 219C .30-30 since 1965.The rifle had a nice Weaver K4 4 power scope on it. I was eleven years old when when my father gave it to me the night before deer season opened. I was ready for opening morning, I can remember looking at it until I finally fell asleep! I had been hunting with my Dad and Grandfather since I was four years old and Dad knew that I was ready to go to a blind by myself. I shot two deer opening morning (two doe) and shot a spike that evening! I was shot out for the season. Three deer, three Remington 150 grain Core Lokt. For forty years, it had a steady diet of 150 grain Core Lokts and I have never missed anything with it. Three years ago switched to Hornady 160 grain plastic tips and I found a real clean one owner Weaver K6-1 six power with Micro-Trac and removed the K4 after 40 problem free years. The 160 grain Hornady's will consistently shoot a true one inch group at one hundred yards from a sandbag rest. This represented a 1/2 inch reduction from the 150 grain Remington. I have killed one deer at 215 yards and I would feel comfortable shooting at 300 yards. I have more rifles now that I am fifty four, however I still consider it as one of my first line rifles. My father made a 275 yard one shot kill with it when i was hunting with him and some of his friends outside of Ozona Texas. I was real impressed, and i know that he qualified Expert with Rifle and Pistol at Quantico. I can not tell you how many guests we had at our ranch who used this rifle over the years and the only problem over its fantastic 43 year career is one broken firing pin. I have always wanted to get one in .22 Hornet. I have also reloaded for it over the years using 110 grain (jacketed and cast, 130 grain hollow points and other light bullets. My serial number is located on the left side of the receiver.
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Old 12-11-2008, 04:19 PM
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What a great story. I loved reading it.
Thanks to everyone for the info about the Savage 219. Roberto - Thanks for sharing that picture.
I do have one other question. What is the length of pull on these rifles? I am short so need a shorter length of pull. If I end up buying one I also want my daughters to be able to use it when they are old enough to go hunting with me.

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Old 12-12-2008, 10:12 AM
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My first centerfire rifle was a 219 .22hornet. Was 15 years old, bought the rifle at a pawn shop for 20 bucks then dies, C-H press, and Lyman 55 all for under 50 bucks. Sure wish I had that one back.
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Old 12-12-2008, 04:37 PM
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Hi Rob, just verify the pull length of mine is 14-1/4" including the original shoulder plate, if you require a shorter pull it could be shortened very easy.
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Rob, if you need to shorten the buttstock to fit your children, you could just add a slip-on recoil pad to give it some length to fit you when needed.
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:17 AM
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Hello,

The Savage Model 219 is one of the somewhat under priced rifles out there if you ask me.
Perhaps the 219 low prices are one of the very few good things about our culture having taken what I feel is a wrong turn toward ultra-hyper velocity cartridges, semi-auto mechanisms, plastic stocks, muzzle breaks and the seemingly endless list of other snake oil gadgets for hunting big game here in The States. What's next? Will there be a political move towards changing the game laws allowing poison carrots as legal means of take? Where does it end? For my old fashioned self it ends with blue steel, walnut, manually operated mechanisms. I probably have no class except low class however I like to pretend that I have a little class any way.

I have owned two of the Model 219 rifles, one in .22 Hornet and one on .30-30. Neither has shown target level accuracy but plenty of hunting level accuracy. (Minute of tangerine). The .30 I still have. I wish I had not sold the Hornet. I'm very fond of single shots and doubles and Mausers ("oh my!"). If you look at the German and Austrian versions of similar designed hinge frame, enclosed hammer, single shot rifles (so called "stalking rifles"), you will find they generally sell for two to three thousand dollars used. I realise the European ones are made to much finer specs however, the Savage is still under priced in my opinion. Travelling here and there to hunt and fish is one of my "problems" and being a traveler, I always appreciate rifles that can fit into a small hard box, tucked into a not so huge rolling duffle. Very handy when I have much to carry already.

The next trip to Africa will be my fourth however it will in fact be my first buffalo hunt. The plan for now (I change my mind from time to time on this idea) is to bring my two sided breakdown hard case with my large SxS rifle (.450 #2 Nitro) in one side and my little Savage 219 in .30-30 in the other side. My Savage is grooved for a scope and coincidentally fits perfectly the old style Talley brand lever rings. Currently it has a Weaver K2.5 on it but I plan to put a 1980s vintage Zeiss 4x on it, the one with the rubber coating over the forward lense bell.

The idea being that I will be able to do a bit finer shooting (famous last words) with that setup on the smaller antelope and/or swine than I would with the coarse iron sights on my big stopping rifle. Probably going to use 165 grain Nosler partitions/flat nose. Smaller antelope like impalla, reedbok, bushbok, etc., plus warthog and other similar size game do not really require a super tough bullet once you get to about .30 caliber/150 grain-ish type cartridges and up. (21 species of antelope, plus 2 species of wild oinker in Limpopo District/ S. Africa, where I like to hunt).

Any projectile suitable for N. American deer, feral hog and pronghorn here is fine for their African counterparts. African critters seem to be harder to terminate than our comparable size critters are sometimes. However, shoot any of them through the vitals with a suitable cartridge/bullet and they will be yours. According to my favorite big game guide there (AKA.."PH" as they are called), the .30-30 will work well on said smaller African animals. I do not plan to take eland, zebra or waterbuck with my little .30-30 by the way. Those are larger and also "quite impact resistant", so to speak.

The NP is probably considered a "medium sturdy" expanding bullet by today's standards. The Swift A-frame would therfore be called very sturdy and the Sierra very soft I suppose. I like Sierras very much (Hornadys too). However for large oinkers, the Sierras might be a bit too iffy on any shot except perfect broadside with the .30-30, not sure. Therefore I will use the NP to be safe.

Back to the Model 219. In a perfect world, Savage would have made all of them with a spare shotgun barrel. I wish they also had made it in .303 British or .30-40 Krag however the action design is perhaps too weak for those shells (?). Even in .30-30, it is a very adequate deer class setup, especially if you are not the nervous type who tends to fling that first shot a bit wide in your excitement. It is the first shot that counts the most in big game hunting (any hunting really).

Also, it is too bad the 219 is not generally found in caliber .25-35 Winchester. That has always been a favorite cartridge of mine. Not that I consider it the world's finest deer getter. To me it is borderline for them but it would be a fine one for the 219 type rifle and in a pinch, with today's better bullets, it would probably keep the stew pot boiling with venison. The Model 219 in .25-35 seems like it would be real fun for the travelling coyote hunter who can call them in relatively close. Speaking of travelling coyote rifles; I sorely wish I had not caved in to one of my periodic fits of stupidity, selling my 219 in .22 Hornet. It also was grooved for the same scope ring size.

Guess I have rambled on long enough.

When they start pouring that Koolaid, sneak off into the jungle. You'll thank me later.

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Old 01-04-2009, 05:07 AM
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Great! I've always thought of the 219 as "The American Stalking Rifle" but I suspect yours may be the first 219 to make a trip to Afrika!
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I have a minty 219 that I managed to break off the firing pin.
I also have an NEF.

Both are 10X stronger than ever needed.

The NEF has a much better barrel.

I am going to have to drill and tap the 219 to find out how accurate it is.

The NEF is very accurate.

The Savage has much more class than the NEF.
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i had a chance at a 25/20 219, was perfect... very nice. it was at a gun show in gillette wy. i hem hawed around and missed out on it but i do know the guy that got it and i'm sure that it is in just as good a shape as the day he bought it. i should call him and see how it worked out for him.
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Old 01-09-2009, 08:43 PM
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I have a minty 219 that I managed to break off the firing pin.
I also have an NEF.

Both are 10X stronger than ever needed.

The NEF has a much better barrel.

I am going to have to drill and tap the 219 to find out how accurate it is.

The NEF is very accurate.

The Savage has much more class than the NEF.

Hello tnekkc,

How did the firing pin break so I can avoid same with my Model 219. I've no experience with the NEF but I will guess they work well enough. I just like the slim lines of the old 219 and to repeat myself, I'd like to have one in a couple or more other calibers that I do not think it was ever made in. (.25-35 Winchester, .303 British or .30-40 Krag would do for starters.) It may have been made in .25-35 but I have not found one in that chambering.

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i had a chance at a 25/20 219, was perfect... very nice. it was at a gun show in gillette wy. i hem hawed around and missed out on it but i do know the guy that got it and i'm sure that it is in just as good a shape as the day he bought it. i should call him and see how it worked out for him.
Hello Big dan,

A .25-20 Model 219 Savage would be a fun rifle to own, especially if you live in an area that allows hunting wild turkeys with a rifle. Likewise, it would be a fun jack rabbit getter, especially with a small scope on it. I once owned a lever action (Browning copy of a Winchester) in .32-20 and always planned to shoot a turkey with it but alas, I have sold it and oh well. Prior to selling it, I did travel to Nevada and take a good number of J. rabbits with it though. I would have prefered the .25 bore any way as well for such as that type hunting. Never got a whack at a coyote with it unfortunately.

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yeah the next time i go thru gillette i'm gonna have to look 'ol walt up and see if he wants to part with the old girl. it would be a hoot for jack rabbits, i'm not sure but i think that you have to use a shotgun here in nodak for turkeys.
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Hello tnekkc,

How did the firing pin break so I can avoid same with my Model 219. I've no experience with the NEF but I will guess they work well enough. I just like the slim lines of the old 219 and to repeat myself, I'd like to have one in a couple or more other calibers that I do not think it was ever made in. (.25-35 Winchester, .303 British or .30-40 Krag would do for starters.) It may have been made in .25-35 but I have not found one in that chambering.

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Back when Ebay sold them, the 25-35 barrels went for $250.
I got my minty 219 in 30-30 for half that at a gun show.

Over the last 50 years, I have seen a number of break action shotguns that broke off the firing pins on opening or closing.

To break the pin, open, pull trigger, close.
If there is a firing pin return spring, you may have to hold the hammer forward, but the 219 has no exposed hammer.

The pins are $7 at Numrich, and I have made lots of firing pins over the years.
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tnekkc,

Thanks for the info. I will get a spare pin in case I break mine too far from the nearest gunsmith. Perhaps I will run across a barrel or complete Model 219 in .25-35 one of these days.

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