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Old 12-07-2008, 11:53 AM
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I've been considering the H&R Buffalo Classic in 45/70. Looks like a real value! I'll be using it mostly for target shooting but may use it for hunting as well. Any comments or feedback would be appreciated!
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Old 12-07-2008, 02:13 PM
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I've got two of them, had one rechambered to 45-120-3" Sharps Straight, they shoot great with a variety of bullets, cast or jacketed. You can put some nice sights on em too, just depends on how much money you want spend.

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Old 12-07-2008, 06:56 PM
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Never had any experience with the 45/70 ones but the one in 38/55 and it was a **** good rifle i like it wanted it but the my firned traded it too quickly
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Old 12-07-2008, 11:39 PM
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I have one and it is a great rifle. Accurate and reliable. Take it to a public range and after you fire the fist shot you'll have two or three people come up just to see what it was that you just shot. It's a real hoot.
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Old 12-08-2008, 05:15 AM
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I concur, easy on the wallet and FUN to shoot. Plus the take-down feature makes for compact transportation. just be forewarned that there is a disease closely associated with the H&Rs, one is never enough...
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Old 12-09-2008, 03:46 PM
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Any advice on 45/70 vs 38/55? pros and cons would be appreciated!
I'm not too familiar with the 38/55. Would jacketed bullets for the 375H&H work for it or would I be restricted to cast bullets? Good cast bullets for hunting are hard to get hear in Canada.
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Old 12-09-2008, 04:06 PM
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The 375H&H uses .375" bullets that wouldn't perform well at 38-55 velocities even if they didn't keyhole from being too small, the 38-55 uses .377" or bigger bullets, the 38-55 Target will need .379" jacketed or bigger, I have a 2007 Target with a Marlin made barrel that shoots .379" jacketed bullets very well, but those made prior were very overbore and would only shoot cast bullets sized .381" or bigger accurately, on top of that they had tight necks, so tight that bullets sized big enough to shoot well were too big to chamber!! The best cure is to have the chamber neck reamed to ~.400" or so. Unfortunately and ironically even tho Marlin made barrels shoot well, they discontinued the 38-55 for 2008, it's no longer available as a rifle or accessory barrel, not that an accessory barrel would be available to you in Canada. Best advice is find a 45-70 BC instead, they're excellent shooters.

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Old 12-09-2008, 06:34 PM
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A friend has one in .45-70 and loves it. He's not much of a reloader, but he has worked up a lead bullet load for it, and he shoots a good bit of Remington factory 405 gr. loads. He's shot some phenomenal groups and a few deer with it.
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:59 PM
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Bummer on the .38-55, I'd really like one in that caliber. I even know a shop that has one for $359. They have the .45-70 as well, but I'm not buying any more guns this year.
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:13 PM
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Maybe they will still have it still in 3 weeks!!
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:17 PM
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I just found out they are having a 10% off sale starting the 19th (20% on shotguns)... its really not fair...
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Old 12-17-2008, 01:24 PM
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Thumbs up I love my .45-70 BC...

...and it loves the BTB 425gr Pile Driver Jr. bullets. It'll shoot hole-in-hole at 100 yds with this bullet with the Reloder 7 load I settled on. I bought the Wesson & Harrington version (no sights) quite a while back and put a Smith Enterprise long range rear sight and a spirit level tunnel front sight on it. Last month, I harvested a bull bison here in WY (a once-in-a-lifetime harvest permit) with this combination of rifle and bullet. With one shot through the lungs, the bull walked/staggered about 10 yards and was on the ground in about 20 seconds. I recovered the bullet against the hide on the opposite side. Mighty impressive performance. The rifle is an absolute pleasure to shoot and is crazy accurate - for the money, it's a bargain at twice the price!
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Old 12-17-2008, 06:21 PM
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Yes it is true bullets designed to expand at .375 H&H velocities will not work with the velocities a 38-55 can throw them. But I have used the 38-55's standard 255 grain round nose for years as a light weight deer load 375 H&H and they are wonderfully accurate. The major problem you have with the 38-55 Winchester, is it's standard twist rate of 1-18, this does not do the best job with a 300 grain spitzer bullet so not only will the not expand worth a **** but they will not have much in the way of accuracy. For a nice Creedmore style target rifle the 38-55 is the way to go. The best accuracy is obtained with paper patched lead bullets, I have even used paper patched lead bullets in my .375 H&H where they work just as well It goes without saying I keep the velocity of these lead 255 grain bullets to 1800 FPS I like paper patching not only because it will give you great accuracy, you also don't have to mess around with gas checks and bullet lube.

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Was just in my local shop and a guy wanted to trade a H&R 1871 in 38-55. Looks like new and came with dies,brass,and 300 cast bullets with gas checks. Too hard to resist so it came home with me. Anybody with any load suggestions that they use in theirs.
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You'll want to do a chamber cast and slug the bore, 38-55 Targets made before 2007 had very large bores requiring .381" or bigger cast bullets and undersized chamber necks to the point that you couldn't chamber a bullet big enough to shoot accurately. Marlin started making the barrels in early 2007 and solved the issue only to cancel production for 2008.

I have a 2007 (HX serial number prefix) Target with the tight bore and proper chamber that shoots Boer 220gr .379" jacketed bullets very well using Rl7 and Starline long brass using Lyman 48th 375 Win data.

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Hi,
I am a new H&R Buffalo owner. I have a few questions.
I mostly will be target shooting with this gun. Both Cowboy Action, and just killing plastic bottles and boxes. However I may want to do some hunting.
Like most here, I will reload for this gun. (Among others.)
1. Lee bullet molds show a dia of .457, same for the lube/die. Is that OK with this gun, the precast bullets that I bought are .458. (http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?category=6). Next step will be making my own, but what about that little .001"?
2. If I do want to hunt with this gun, my reloading manuals show three sections for 45-70. Can I go to the max loads? Not at a steady diet, but just once and a while. I have not found out what the max preassure is for this firearm.
3. I see one of the first posters has modified his to 45-120. What would be the advantage of doing this? Would this be just for black powder? I dunno. Perhaps this would be a second barrel, have it fitted, then have it bored out.
4. I do wish that they had put leagle Cowboy Action sights on this gun from the factory, but I will get over it.

Thanks in advance.
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First thing to do is to slug the bore and then use cast bullets that are .001"-.002" larger than the groove diameter, typically H&R 45-70s will shoot .459"-.460" cast bullets very well. Use a #8 egg sinker to slug the bore.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinSlug.htm

You'll find that trapdoor loads are the most fun to shoot, levergun loads are great for hunting, but most shooters will find the recoil objectionable particularly the BC(Buffalo Classic) with its steel butt plate, unless you take some steps to increase weight with weight or a mercury recoil suppressor in the stock bolt hole and/or add a leather recoil pad like the Galco or Kick Killer.

I shoot Ruger level loads in my H&R 45-70 Handi and SS Ultra Hunter, the BC uses the same SB2 frame as the factory chambered 500 S&W Handi, the 500S&W has a larger case head than the 45-70 and is rated at 60kpsi which is about 10kpsi higher than Ruger level loads, operating pressures for 500S&W data runs about 52kpsi max which is right there with Ruger level data from Hodgdon and Hornady.

As for the 45-120, it's a blackpowder cartridge with advantages over the 45-70 as such with BP, but loaded with smokeless, it's lots of fun, 5744 loads to 31kspi using AA data shoot real well and the huge case has lots of shock and awe at the range, I've had many other shooters looking drop-jawed at my ammo when shooting, the shock and awe factor is priceless. And if you really want to load it up, you can achieve 458 Lott velocities with 400gr bullets at 40kpsi.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/...0578#195100578

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/...7209#283107209

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Old 01-17-2009, 06:17 AM
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Wrongtarget,
Hmmm, this is sounding like fun. The cheap way to go would be to get another barrel and ream it out to 120. Hmm. I would guess there would be PLENTY of smoke with that in BP.

Really something to think about. Looks like the cost would be under $200.00 for the whole conversion barrel.

Thanks for the great info...
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Probably a bit more if you have a smith do it, the accessory barrel alone is $144 with $15 shipping and $15 fitting fees added, Ilion is charging tax too.
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