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Old 04-01-2009, 09:25 PM
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H&R 22-250 ammo problems?


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I recently purchased a Handi Rifle 22-250 and so far I love shooting it, but Im having an issue picking the right kind of ammo for my application.

I started out trying to shoot 55 grain Hornady vmax ballistic tipped ammo, and it was key holing out of the barrel onto my paper targets for sighting purposes. I went and bought some cheap walmart ammo (remington jhp I think) and finished my sighting in. It worked just fine.

Then, I ordered 100 rounds of Corbon 53 gr. barnes DPX Tripple Shock X bullet ammo from a website online. Paid a very large chunk of change for this ammo. I wanted to hunt Coyote and Deer with this round, but Ive started getting Keyhole shots again at the range.

I need to find an ammo that will work for my applications in this weapon. I need it to be efficient enough to kill coyote's at 300 yards, deer at about 100 yards, and not key hole shoot out of the barrel when I am at the range or hunting.

Any suggestions on brand? Grain?

(I do not hand load, Factory ammo is a must)

Thanks for the help in advance.
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Old 04-01-2009, 09:30 PM
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Additional information. Barrel is 22 inches long with a 1:14 rate of twist. Single shot model number SB2-250. 3-9x-56E Bushnell banner series dusk and dawn scope mounted.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:49 AM
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A .22-250 should be fine with those bullet weights. I've used up to 63gr. bullets in mine (not a Handi-Rifle). Have you checked the crown for damage? Is that an actual measurement of the twist rate, or just what the company literature states?
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:57 AM
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I have the same gun in the same caliber, and get pretty poor accuracy from it. Never checked the rifling, but I bet its slower than what is stated. I had to send mine back, it would break open after every shot. Took them six months to get it back to me, but its fixed. Ive had several handi rifles, from 22 hornet to .50 blackpowder, and all were top notch, except this one. Ive tried several bullet weights, styles, etc, and get pretty poor accuracy from it with everything Ive tried. I think its a too slow rifling twist, but thats just my guess.
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:15 AM
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This isn't what what i'd like to hear as I'm been looking at getting the Handi in 22-250
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:05 PM
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Well, I got sub 1 inch accuracy from the wal mart ammo i used to sight in with at 100 yards,... just not with the 2 types of premium ammo i have used.

The bullets that are put in the shells are longer than they are heavy. Rifiling twist has something to do with how long the bullets are and not how heavy they are. The 53 grain barnes tsx bullets are like .850 of an inch long where as the wal mart bullets are only .7 of an inch long. So, even though its got a slow twist rate, there is some ammo out there that will shoot reliably from this gun.

My main question goes back to the actual ammo. Where can I get a quality hunting ammo for this rifle? Anyone have any sugestions? Im thinking I need to stick with soft points because they tend to be shorter than they are long, and keep the weight at 50 to 55 grains.
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:06 PM
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Angus6, I do love the rifle. I havent had any of the issues that people are talking about with case sticking or bad accuracy,.. Ive just got to find the right ammo for the gun to be sucessful with. The accuracy of mine was great with the right ammo, and piss poor with the wrong stuff.

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Old 04-02-2009, 03:29 PM
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Now I'm following Mike , all I'll be shooting is handloads so I'll just need to figure it out, hopeflly it'll like the 55gr I've got for the AR.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:34 PM
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Thanks for the link. Ill start trying to find the 50 grain loads for the weapon. Midway USA was sold out or backordered on every one of those links you posted me. I have bought most of my ammo from midway and here recently they have been sold out on just about everything,.. even for my .17 HMR and my .243 win.
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Old 04-02-2009, 06:38 PM
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Now I'm following Mike , all I'll be shooting is handloads so I'll just need to figure it out, hopeflly it'll like the 55gr I've got for the AR.
Yeah, Angus, The gun is a very nice weapon. Ive never had a case stick, or a failure to fire. You know, even the key hole shots I was firing were im some sort of a discernable group. The accuracy was there, just not the 100% performance that Im gonna need.

Im not a fan of wal mart ammo for hunting. Its a shame that they were the only shells that would fire correctly in the rifle. The accuracy was superb. Sub 1 inch groups at 100 yards. The 22-250 is a smooth weapon to shoot. I just dont think those regular base remington 11 dollar special soft points will be good enough to kill a coyote at the distances I want to try and kill them at.

But, get the rifle... its worth the money.
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:47 PM
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Thanks for the link. Ill start trying to find the 50 grain loads for the weapon. Midway USA was sold out or backordered on every one of those links you posted me. I have bought most of my ammo from midway and here recently they have been sold out on just about everything,.. even for my .17 HMR and my .243 win.
Yeah, so is everyone else! Conley has some 50gr ammo, whether they have it in stock is another matter.

http://www.cpcartridge.com/cart2/ind...dex&cPath=1_21

Hornady sells direct... Hornady 22-250 ammo

Reed's may have some ammo too..

http://shop.reedsammo.com/category.sc?categoryId=30
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:50 AM
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You state that the "cheap" Walmart Remington JHP bullet ammo worked just fine, ejects normally, shoots 1" or sub 1" groups and you are not happy with it. It sounds like you have found the ideal ammo for that rifle. What about low price is a problem? Why not shoot a dozen coyotes with that ammo and see how many complain that the bullet was not expensive enough or how many refuse to fall down. (Or you could just go to a "high priced" Sporting Goods Store or Gun Shop and pay a lot more for the same ammunition.) Some people actually think that Remington ammunition is "a quality hunting ammo". Remington ammunition has killed a lot of "stuff". Remington sells their bullets to a lot of reloaders to shoot at "something". I do not mean to sound mean, offensive or hateful, I just don't understand why you are not "real happy" (dancing in the street) that you have found such accurate, good performance ammunition at an economical price. Moderator: Please delete this post if it is considered inappropriate.
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Old 04-05-2009, 10:18 AM
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Have also found the white box 45gr load from winchester to work well in one of mine
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I got the same gun and sighted it in with wal-mart ammo, the winchester USA 45gr. at 4000fps. and have under 1/2 inchs groups at 100 yards. I do reload and getting ready to try 50 gr. V-MAX with winchester primers and IMR 4060. IMR told me not to go over 37gr of powder and with max load it should be 3866fps.

If you don't reload your at there mercy. 1 inch is pretty good. I just want better then 1/2 inch groups, if I can time will tell.
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Sounds like your rate of twist is slower than advertised...can't think of why else those longer bullets are key-holing. The answer to accuracy problems with slower twist 22's (ie 22 Hornet) is to shoot a lighter, shorter bullet. No, they won't have the BC, but for your stated purpose, it won't matter. I can see wanting to be as accurate as possible with your gun, given that varmints are small targets, sometimes at long range. However, Safeshot is right about questioning your obvious contempt for "cheap" ammo, especially when it shoots well in your gun.

Try buying/loading some smaller bullets...the 40 and 50 gr Nosler BT's comes to mind, along with the Sierra 45gr SPT. If one of these has the length/weight to shoot well from your rifle, problem solved!
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I have been shooting 22-250 for 40 years, and reload. My rate of twist is 1-14" also, and I have found the 55 gr soft point is the best. If you plan to shoot deer you will need the 55 gr. I would not shoot one with anything smaller unless you limit shots to head or neck. At the speed the 55 gr goes you really don't need a premium bullet, all soft point bullets explode well. Go with the Walmart stuff. Wallacem in Ga.
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I got the same gun and sighted it in with wal-mart ammo, the winchester USA 45gr. at 4000fps. and have under 1/2 inchs groups at 100 yards. I do reload and getting ready to try 50 gr. V-MAX with winchester primers and IMR 4060. IMR told me not to go over 37gr of powder and with max load it should be 3866fps.

If you don't reload your at there mercy. 1 inch is pretty good. I just want better then 1/2 inch groups, if I can time will tell.
I'm sorry, but did you just state that you're not satisfied with 1/2 groups out of a single-shot, break-action gun that costs ~$250? (I call BS...) The longer you shoot, the more you will realize what a rare thing it is to get such good accuracy from an inexpensive gun and factory ammo. If you can do better with handloads, it will be by a VERY small margin.
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I just bought the HR 22-250 been thru 10 boxes of shells (wichester supreme, remington, federal) and I still get bullet tumbeling dont know if that is actually the same as keyholing but the bullet leaves a perfect side shape in the paper and i can't get out past 50 yards. Not heard anyone have any luck with sendin one back any suggestions??
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I just bought the HR 22-250 been thru 10 boxes of shells (wichester supreme, remington, federal) and I still get bullet tumbeling dont know if that is actually the same as keyholing but the bullet leaves a perfect side shape in the paper and i can't get out past 50 yards. Not heard anyone have any luck with sendin one back any suggestions??
Dunno where you got the notion that sending it back to H&R was a problem, that's just not true, recent reports at GBO on repairs and accessory barrel orders have been excellent, follow the directions on the CS page and get it fixed, it's probably got a bad barrel if factory ammo keyholes, call and ask for a UPS return shipping label to cover shipping costs.

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/board,126.0.html

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/repairs.asp
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