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Old 12-23-2009, 04:54 AM
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hi all. have ticked up a barrel for a h&r in 22rem.jet am told that there were not very many of these made. any way i supposed the thinking was what good purpose would they serve. that ive asked my self, any way got the barel right and a little elbow grease fitted it to the receiver. passes my gun smiths eye so i did something right. have a small amount of brass this what im told is very hard to find if any one wants to get rid of some p.pm me please and need a set of dies for it also. i can find loads for pistols nothing for a 22" barrel rifle. any help or suggestion here would help. its just some thing to play with more for the grand kids and wife gat.
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:47 AM
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hi all. have ticked up a barrel for a h&r in 22rem.jet am told that there were not very many of these made. any way i supposed the thinking was what good purpose would they serve. that ive asked my self, any way got the barel right and a little elbow grease fitted it to the receiver. passes my gun smiths eye so i did something right. have a small amount of brass this what im told is very hard to find if any one wants to get rid of some p.pm me please and need a set of dies for it also. i can find loads for pistols nothing for a 22" barrel rifle. any help or suggestion here would help. its just some thing to play with more for the grand kids and wife gat.
Gat,

The 22Rem Jet operates at around 37,000psi and was designed for pistol-length barrels. You can use the recommended Contender loads safely, in your H&R barrel. The (old) Sierra manual I have specifies the following powders/charges out of a 14" Contender barrel, using Winchester small pistol or *CCI550 primers, as noted. I would expect 160-200fps more, out of a 22" rifle barrel.

Sierra 40gr Hornet

Unique 6.1gr - 8.0gr 1800 - 2400fps
IMR 4227 10.0gr - 11.8gr 1800 - 2400fps

*Blue Dot 6.9gr - 9.0gr 1800 - 2300fps
*2400 9.4gr - 11.7gr 1900 - 2400fps

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Sierra 45gr Hornet

Unique 6.0gr - 7.5gr 1800 - 2200fps
IMR 4227 9.4gr - 11.5gr 1700 - 2100fps

*Blue Dot 6.1gr - 7.9gr 1600 - 2000fps
*2400 9.6gr - 11.5gr 1900 - 2200fps

In addition to these loads, I used Quickload to check what Li'l Gun and 2400 might be capable of in this cartridge. Please note that these loads are in a 22" barrel and are only a reference!

Sierra 40gr Hornet

Li'l Gun 11.5gr - 13.6gr 2612 - 3020fps
2400 9.5gr - 11.3gr 2539 - 2911fps

Li'l Gun seemed to provide the best load density in this cartridge, as it does with so many "Li'l" rounds. As far as formed brass goes, I don't know how to help you, there. I know this round is based on a necked down .357Mag case, and it looks like there are case forming dies to go from 357Mag cases or from 256Win Mag cases. Since the 256WM cases are already about $1/ea, I'm thinking I would buy the dies to go from .357Mag cases...they're much less expensive!

I know I've already rambled on forever, as I am wont to do, but I would delete all of the above and have your gunsmith buddy rechamber your barrel to something a lot easier to work with. There are a ton of options out there, but I would stick with a rimmed cartridge and have him cut the chamber for a 225Winchester. This would give you truly hot 22 performance and commercial brass that doesn't require any case-forming. (Winchester usually makes a run of 225 brass every year or two, so it's really not that hard to find. Midway has it, in stock, right now.)
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:27 AM
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Excellent article in one of the recent Handloader mags about the Jet. You need to know the bore diameter to get the most from it.
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Old 12-23-2009, 02:40 PM
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There were actually quite a few of the 22 Jet H&R rifles made, the Model 158 Topper was offered from 1963 to 1975 by H&R Inc, they went out of business in 1986, Grafs has plenty of brass for it, they also have a couple die sets,

http://www.grafs.com/metallic/622

http://www.grafs.com/metallic/1887
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Had a little martini Cadet barreled into a .22 Jet, and was an exceptionally good shooting little rifle, but that long shouldered case does some odd things with slower powders. You'd think it wouldn't be possible to put enough 748 into that dinky case to casue a problem...WRONG. The how-or-why was never really investigated, but pressure ran right off the chart with the first load.

Stick with 4227 to start...there is a good bit of tested data for that powder. Lost my old records, but finally settled on IMR 4198.

Were some loads worked up for 10" T/C Contenders as well, which might be worth tracking down.
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Suspect those old H&R barreles were 1:16 twist, and might be .223" bores. The .22 Jet pistols, and factory ammo to fit them, were listed as .222" (Hornady sold the correct 40gr. bullet for many years, a blunt nosed/large lead exposed little devil that would slow down pretty fast). I'd have to check the twist rate...but suspect 40-45gr. bullets would be about right.
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:00 PM
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thanks to all. iwill try the recipes and info. and be on the safe side foor sure. only data ive found is for 5" barrel. i know that the 22 ' BARREL WILL DO BETTER . but really not too concerned the rifle is just to be a lorecoil for wife and grand childern but grand paw might like to play too. qalso in the load swap table it does mention the 22 jet with 4227 but does not give the barrel length for the load need a colume for this in the specs. i will keep everyone up to date as soon as i get a set of dies. will ck. rcbs & lyman to include the other also depends on the time to get dies again thanks gat.
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what month and year did this appear i would be intrested to read. thanks gat
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:14 PM
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may i get back to you about tjis as soon as i get a set of dies will pm. gat
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:18 PM
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thanks for the heads up for the dies in stock have a couple of shops to ck yet but if a no go will go for the new. thanks gat
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:22 PM
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thanks will keep youin mind and pm when i get dies mary mary
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:46 PM
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im told that and have seen on the form. that 4227 is a no make any more . this im not liking because i have a 6.5 in. barrel 357 that likes it alot. ??????????????? know any thing about this.
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:55 PM
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im told that and have seen on the form. that 4227 is a no make any more . this im not liking because i have a 6.5 in. barrel 357 that likes it alot. ??????????????? know any thing about this.
Gat,

Several of my cartridges really like 4227, so I hope they don't stop making it! The IMR website still lists it and Midway has it in 1 or 8lb containers, so you must be thinking of a different powder. Maybe you were thinking of W680, which is of a similar burn rate but is definitely out of production. Hodgdon's Li'l Gun is very popular in cases of this capacity. Just make sure to have the barrel checked for the proper bullet diameter and then stick to the 40 or 45gr pills.

Or, like I said, have the chamber cut to something a little bigger that isn't nearly so much work to reload for.
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:13 PM
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i hope that im wrong.any way well get by some how .will get me a set of dies well go from there . powder or dies. will have rode trip next week and will stop at all gun shops on the way and get what i can. was all over today and found none at all. dies or powder. gat
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Old 12-25-2009, 05:17 PM
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merry xmas. found the handloader mag on the shelf at books a mill. upon reading the articale on the 22jet i see that the bullet diameter for the bullets used in the test are .223 the box of bullets i have in a horndy box are marked 40gr. .222. which should i be using or should i slug the barrel? i would have thought that this would be kinda standard. any way thanks for the steer in the right direction.
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Old 12-29-2009, 08:01 PM
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You are right that 4227 has been discontinued, the H4227 version anyway. IMR 4227 is still in production.
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Greetings... I just found this forum doing a google search on ".22 Jet" looking for reloading info and others experience with this cartridge.

I bought an as NIB S&W M53 a few years ago and I haven't been able to bring myself to shoot it. So I'm contemplating getting either a carbine or rifle length .22 Jet barrel made for my contender and build it our as a varmit rifle, and save the M53 as a "safe queen".

From what I've been reading on the S&W froum, The M53 is really prone to barrel/forcing cone errosion with prolonged firing of .22 Jet, and generally a big pain in the behind to shoot .22 Jet in to begin with... it sounds like it's better off being in the safe anyway.

Anyone here have experience with the S&W M53?

Also, I've been told that since the .22 Jet was designed for handgun length barrels, it is this one of those cartridges that really does not benefit greatly from a longer barrel? Which to me flys in the face of conventional wisdom... so true or false?

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Think the best comparison for barrel length/velocity would be to the .218 Bee... can find some 10" Contender barrel data and some full length rifle barrel data and decide for yourself if the extra barrel length gains enough speed. It is.

The .22 Jet rifle I had made on a martini action used 21" of Douglas 1:14 twist .224" barrel, but it still shot the factory loads very very well (2/3MOA), which is odd for a too-small bullet, but belive the thin jacketed bullets used in RP factory loads simply slugged up shortly after ignition. The Hornady .222's would shoot almost as well, but are a poor shape for any distance shooting. the rifle loved 52gr. flat based HP's and 50gr. Hornady Spire points.

In fact, the only bullet that gave me trouble were some of the old Speer 52gr. "Silver Match" bullets. Had some type of odd silver plating...which left a silver fouling...and whatever it was, copper solvents certainly wouldn't work on it (which may be why those bullets had such a short sales life).
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In the late 70's and early 80's, worked most summers at various gun shops... picking up some gunsmithing, getting use of the machines after hours, and making a little $ while off from teaching. One 'smith liked his 6" 53 and he's shoot it every so often. Never gave him a lick of trouble with case set back, and i asked him about that, so he showed me his "trick".

Just below the firing pin bushing was a SECOND little stump of a pin. Well rounded, smooth as glass, and about 2X the diameter of the firing pin. Stuck out from the recoil shield all of .001/.0015". Case fired..case set back..pin limited the set back just enough that the case never set fully against the recoil shield.


So i asked him where he got that idea. Back at his shop, he gets out a nice long (probably 9 to 10" barrled) Colts SAA's, with K-frame S&W sight to the rear, and a dovertailed gold beat to the front. Had been converted to a short version of the .22 K-Hornet, floating firing pin. Sure enough, under that floating firing pin was a stump of a pin doing the same job as he had done on his .22 jet.

He had bought that gun from a customer some years before. All the seller knew was that the action conversion/ .22K-Chuck conversion was done in the late 1940's to early 1950's by Christy's... and that when it gave him case set-back problems, he had a local 'smith "fix it" (Local for that guy in the 1950's was in upstate New York).
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you know some thing im really purtty much real careful about what i do inthe loading shack this has caught me blind sided the recorces that i use most dont reconize that there is two 4227 this i did not know till you brought it to my attention and i went and looked. thanks . not good. need to pay a lot more attention than some may think ..
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Gat,

You should definitely slug the barrel if you want best accuracy and safety from your reloads. Remember to let us know how things go as you get loads worked up and some range work done.

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