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Old 04-24-2010, 08:06 AM
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... haunting the used racks and checking gunbroker. Seriously considering a Ruger #1 or a highwall...

I have seen a #1 in 25-06 that needs some wood refinish work.... and a high wall in .405 Winchester...

I am enjoying the shopping and don't want it to end prematurely. Part of the fun is conversing about it.

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Old 04-24-2010, 09:12 AM
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Have fun - your just shopping!

When you switch to buying - Get both the #1 25/06 and the 405 high wall!
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:19 AM
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Tough choice, as I prefer the Ruger #1 rifle. BUT, I have been eyeing a 405 for a long time.

Better buy both
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Old 04-24-2010, 05:54 PM
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Hear what your saying as I've been doing the same last couple months. Its paid off with two bargians I bought and just missed a third by couple days. There are real deals out there currently one just has to be ready.
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Well, if you're really shopping for a "deer rifle", the choice is fairly clear; the 25-06 is a much better choice, especially if the range might occasionally be on the long side. Both would be welcome additions to my gun safe.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:16 AM
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Well, if you're really shopping for a "deer rifle", the choice is fairly clear; the 25-06 is a much better choice, especially if the range might occasionally be on the long side. Both would be welcome additions to my gun safe.
Depends upon the country he is "deer hunting" in. A lot of my hunting is spent in thick woods and swamps where shots are short. The .405 would be a fine deer caliber in those settings.

I do agree with you if the shooting is longer range.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:25 AM
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Shopping is always fun. A couple that interest me are the 1885 Lowwalls in .243 or .260. At about six and a quarter pounds they would be great to pack around. Another is the Browning B78 in 6MM or larger. What a beautiful rifle.
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Old 04-25-2010, 07:41 AM
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I didn't think about a low wall in 243....

FWIW most of my hunting is woods, but there are a few power and pipeline cuts. Some around here want a long range rifle for those things, but most of my hunting is under 150 yards.
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:08 AM
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I like the Ruger #1 in 45-70. Lots of versatility there, IMO. factory loads of 300gr @ 1800FPS, 405gr @ 1300 FPS or even 325gr @ 2050 FPS, for a MPBR of about 200yds. And lots more from Buffalo Bore, Grizzly Ammo and lots of other ammo loaders, giving you mild to wild. Loads from your #1 in 45-70 can approach .458 Win strength. Jacketed bullets and hard cast from 250gr to 500gr!. Take your pick; heck use 'em all. The .405 Win is pretty cool as well, but the 45-70 is sumpthin' extra special, IMO.
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Depends upon the country he is "deer hunting" in. A lot of my hunting is spent in thick woods and swamps where shots are short. The .405 would be a fine deer caliber in those settings.

I do agree with you if the shooting is longer range.
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Dan,

I see a lot of guys supporting big-bore rounds in the brush for deer, but when I see these comments, there are two fundamental truths that always leave me scratching my head. One, a 25-06 with a well-constructed bullet is no liability at short range, while the bigger bullets definitely can be a limitation, if a long shot presents itself. Also, if you try to mitigate this effect by loading to higher velocities, even with the 45-70, you really pay for it with increased recoil.

I guess my point is this: A smaller caliber at higher velocity gives you added range without punishing your shoulder, or sacrificing point-blank performance. The bigger cartridges are a compromise on deer-sized game, no matter how you slice it. To me, they only make sense if you're after much larger and tougher game, where the added bullet weight is beneficial. For deer, a bottle-necked cartridge over 30 caliber, or a straight-walled cartridge bigger than maybe a 454, is simply more than you need, to get the job done. Given the choice of 25-'06 or 405Win, I'll definitely choose the smaller one, for deer.

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Old 04-25-2010, 04:02 PM
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JM is perfectly right. The .405 is a fine Crocodile rifle, ask Ted Roosevelt, but
it's an obsolete cartridge. If you are buying it as one of many rifles then, no
problem. If you are buying your only deer rifle go with the ones that are known
good calibers, and there are a lot of them.
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I didn't think about a low wall in 243....

FWIW most of my hunting is woods, but there are a few power and pipeline cuts. Some around here want a long range rifle for those things, but most of my hunting is under 150 yards.
I've had both a .243 and .260 in 1885 low wall. The .260 wouldn't shoot under 2 inches. The .243 and keeps them under 3/4 inch and with the 85 grain TSX everything from coyotes to 250 lb hogs are DRT.
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Easy for me, the .25-06 will do anything you need to involving deer hunting. The .405 is a neat cartridge, but factory ammo is very expensive, difficult to obtain, and its got real recoil. Sure you can handload down to a manageable level, but you sacrifice ballistics and range. The .25-06 or any .270 and under is a no brainer for deer hunting. Get a low powered scope if you intend to shoot at shorter ranges.
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30-06 gives you a good compromise between the two. but then you only get to shop for one rifle!
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had surgery a few days ago, can't get out much, nothin to do but web surf for rifles.....
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