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Old 05-31-2010, 05:42 PM
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Im pretty sure the action is strong enough but i need some peice of mind....And i should be able to start with just about anything right????Im thinkin of starting with something i dont really care for like an 06 or something....Whata u #1 fans think and have any of you guys had any custom #1 work done if so let me know.....Thanks guys
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Old 06-01-2010, 06:54 AM
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Looks like you will need to register, but realguns.com has an article I read a couple of years ago about the 358-378RG, using the 378 case in the Number 1. If you can do that, then why not the 338-378?
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Old 06-01-2010, 06:03 PM
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Theres one on gun broker....I like the big 30s..
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Old 06-01-2010, 08:01 PM
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My brother had a ruger #1 Tropical in 416 Remington. He took the barrel off and had a 30" 30-378 Weatherby barrel put on it. I don't know what all else he had to have done, but I know it is a flat out shooter! He loves it and so do I!! (I hope he leaves it to me in his will)!!
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:04 PM
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My brother had a ruger #1 Tropical in 416 Remington. He took the barrel off and had a 30" 30-378 Weatherby barrel put on it. I don't know what all else he had to have done, but I know it is a flat out shooter! He loves it and so do I!! (I hope he leaves it to me in his will)!!
First off your brother sounds like a straight shooter for havin a gun built like that.Thats exactley what i was planin to do im thinkin that all the actions are the same but not 100%.If you could find out where he had this done id sure appericiate it.Thanks!
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Old 07-01-2010, 05:28 AM
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All of the Ruger #1 actions are NOT the same!!!

If you are going to build a 30-378, you need to start with the Ruger #1 Tropical rifle, like what Gutpile65's brother did. It is the only model in the line of Ruger #1's that has a large enough frame and threaded shank to be able to support a high intensity cartridge like the 30-378....

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Old 07-01-2010, 07:22 AM
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All of the Ruger #1 actions are NOT the same!!!

If you are going to build a 30-378, you need to start with the Ruger #1 Tropical rifle, like what Gutpile65's brother did. It is the only model in the line of Ruger #1's that has a large enough frame and threaded shank to be able to support a high intensity cartridge like the 30-378....

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I'd like to see the verification for your statement above. To my knowledge, ALL Ruger #1 receivers are the same in dimensions and thread size. The only difference is in the diameter and length of the barrels.

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Old 07-01-2010, 08:15 AM
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All of the Ruger #1 actions are NOT the same!!!

If you are going to build a 30-378, you need to start with the Ruger #1 Tropical rifle, like what Gutpile65's brother did. It is the only model in the line of Ruger #1's that has a large enough frame and threaded shank to be able to support a high intensity cartridge like the 30-378....

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Don't know where ASSASSIN got his Info but it's wrong.
There is no difference in the Ruger # 1 actions, there all the same. I've built many of them on actions from 218 Bee to 458 Mag, the only difference is the extractors for the different cartridges, and if your going to go with a heavy barrel try not to go over 1.200 at the receiver and you should not have a problem, not that you cant go over 1.200 but it's a lot easer not to because of the hanger.

Be very careful of "internet experts", most don't have any hands on experience, always check with a good Single Shot Gunsmith known for his Ruger # 1 work, he will know what you can do and what you should not do with your action.
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Old 07-01-2010, 10:16 AM
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Good Choice !

A Ruger #1 chambered in .30-378 Wby Mag would be very interesting indeed. I have a #1 and I have a .30-378.....just not in the same weapon.
Mine is a Weatherby MK V Accumark.

A Ruger #1 with a cryo treated bbl of about 28 inches,with a somewhat long throated chamber, and a set of dies cut with the same reamer as the chamber,would be the "cat's meow". A bbl that was a fairly heavy contour(.850"-.950") would make it even more interesting,especially threaded for a Accubrake.

Also forget the bullets of <210grs. They're a waist of time in the .30-378. To me, the 220's would be ideal.

That would be a great project indeed. ----pruhdlr
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Old 07-01-2010, 07:34 PM
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i can see where i could make some enemys here.
first off as the name implys im a 30x378 guy. im a long range hunter and have been for many years.

if you want to talk with someone who is the god father of that cartridge, talk with howard wolfe of mifflinburg pa.
he is essentually the founder of that cartridge. his experiments with it started in the late 50s.
he has built more of them than any man alive. he developed and built actions suitable for that cartridge 50 years ago.
im fortunate in having #29. its a heavy walled design with a 3 lug bolt.
back then there were almost no actions available for those type cartridges. today of coarse there are many.
even with todays powders, barrels beyond 30" are necessary in order to achieve maximum velocity with a 30x378.
ill bet howard wolfe cant remember how many new weatherbys he's rebarreled.

that could be the downfall of the ruger action for that cartridge.
my barrel is an 1.250" 36" long. my velocity, using 113 gr. of h570 ww2 surplus powder with a 200gr.smk, is 3500fps. ive known guys who pushed them even harder than that.
we have tested the factory weatherby and its several hundred fps slower even with the 180 gr. bullet. that is the bullet weatherby uses in order to get decent velocity.
there is no advantage to owning one of those over a 300 ultramag.
frankly i wouldnt consider a 30x378 on a ruger#1 for the reason i cited.
look closely at the data on the other big 30 cal. cartridges. you will find excellant velocity can be obtained with 28" barrels on several of them.
howard wolfe has been a williamsport competetor from just about the first days. he has built several of the record setting guns there.
he developed a shortened version 30x378 so it could be used in 30" barrels for shooting at williamsport. i also have one of those he built for me on a mark 5 weatherby action.
its got a 30"tapered varmit wgt. fluted barrel and weighs 18 lb with scope.
i use 190 gr. bullets with 98gr. retumbo for a velocity of 3400fps.
the brass is a pain to make. when the barrel shoots out it will be replaced with a 300 ultramag.
but there were no ultramags when this one was built.

now as for the 200 gr. bullet being less desirable compared to the 220.
the guy that said that never tested them on a mountainside, because what he said is pure b.s.
now in fairness he might be talking energy, not trajectory.
i can tell you at 1500 yds, the trajectory aint even close. and the 240 is far worse than the 220 is.
i am talking smks and not some of the newer super bullets.
but you know what, ask yourself how far you should shoot before argueing about that.

howard is well into his 80s and from what i hear not as active as he was. there is no phone in the shop. call in the am or pm mention the name ernie.
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Old 07-02-2010, 02:17 AM
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Don't know where ASSASSIN got his Info but it's wrong.
There is no difference in the Ruger # 1 actions, there all the same. I've built many of them on actions from 218 Bee to 458 Mag, the only difference is the extractors for the different cartridges, and if your going to go with a heavy barrel try not to go over 1.200 at the receiver and you should not have a problem, not that you cant go over 1.200 but it's a lot easer not to because of the hanger.

Be very careful of "internet experts", most don't have any hands on experience, always check with a good Single Shot Gunsmith known for his Ruger # 1 work, he will know what you can do and what you should not do with your action.
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FOR THE RECORD:

The man known as ASSASSIN is a gunsmith of 30+ years who makes some of the most impressive, and accurate, single-shot rifles I have ever seen. He is a 1,000 yard marksman of note and to top it all off, is a heckuva nice guy. Nothing personal, but if I had to choose between his opinion and a self-professed "internet expert"...I think I'll go with the known quantity.

Many guys on the forum already know this, but his work can be seen here:

http://www.dandtcustomgunworks.com/services.html
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:39 AM
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FOR THE RECORD:

The man known as ASSASSIN is a gunsmith of 30+ years who makes some of the most impressive, and accurate, single-shot rifles I have ever seen. He is a 1,000 yard marksman of note and to top it all off, is a heckuva nice guy. Nothing personal, but if I had to choose between his opinion and a self-professed "internet expert"...I think I'll go with the known quantity.

Many guys on the forum already know this, but his work can be seen here:

http://www.dandtcustomgunworks.com/services.html

Sounds like you took my comment as degrading to the ASSASSIN, it was not intended to be and I did not mean it to be personal, it was intended to be helpful, informative and factual for the members in this forum. Sorry if I stepped on some toes.

The assassin may be a great guy, he may also be a great Single Shot Rifle shooter of note, but I've never seen his name in any of the shooting event reports that I shoot in, and I do about 20 a year with the Ruger # 1.

Does he shoot any of the ASSRA, ISSA, WSU, IBS events, or the annual Ruger # 1 event ?. Or better yet, as long as we're talking about impressive, accurate, single-shot rifles, how many times has his Rifles won any of the events that these National Associations hold ?.

I'll stand by what I said:
"Be very careful of "internet experts", most don't have any hands on experience, always check with a good Single Shot Gunsmith known for his Ruger # 1 work"

The Ruger # 1 Falling Block Action is very different than the average bolt action or top brake single barrel shotgun type action.

OR:
Maybe after all of the # 1's I've built I was wrong, if so those that care should be even more careful of us "internet experts", then the best thing to do would be to check with the factory, I'm sure they can set the RECORD straight as to how many different size actions the # 1 has been made in.

I stand by my comment, to the best of my knowledge the Ruger # 1 has only been built in one size. If I'm wrong on this I apologize, again it's always best to check with the factory if possible before taking the word of any "internet expert", and always check out the background of any Gunsmith to be sure that he knows something about the Ruger # 1 as they are very different to work on compared to other actions.
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Old 07-02-2010, 08:44 AM
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I've contacted the Ruger factory and confirmed that you are correct: All Ruger #1 frames/actions are identical, it is only the ejector and barrel that would be "beefier" on a Tropical.

If I was remiss in defending what I perceive as an attack on one of our senior members, I apologize. Perhaps I was too quick to speak on behalf of someone I hold in high regard, based on the work he has already done for me and the impeccable character he has shown. (Something I have found to be quite rare among good gunsmiths.)

I will state unequivocally that David White, the gentleman in question, is not an "internet expert", but a very serious, talented and knowledgeable gunsmith; one I would trust with any project he agreed to take on. In a world gone bad, he is a man of his word, a man of integrity, and a true artisan at his craft. If you were familiar with him and his work, you would certainly regret your tone and your decision to impugn his character with derisive quotes.
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