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Old 09-10-2010, 06:19 PM
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Unhappy problem with Handi rifle in 35 Whelen


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new rifle for Mississippi's "primitive" weapon season
First shots - with a swabbed barrel and gooey bore went well. 5 shots in one ragged hole @ 50 yds
After complete cleaning, all that happens is a click - no boom ( where's the BOOM ?!!? )

Looks like the primers are dented but not "firmly struck".
Chamber cut too deep ?

Solutions/suggestions ? ( send it back is my default action unless something better comes up )

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Old 09-10-2010, 08:01 PM
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This is a very common problem with the Handi in that chambering.

Go to www.graybeardoutdoors.com in the Handi section, bunches of talk about this.

Yes, I would send it back.

I would get a diff. chambering or diff Single Shot if you like that round.
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Old 09-25-2010, 02:20 PM
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All my boys are shooting the T/C pro hunter in 35 whelen............
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Old 09-25-2010, 04:46 PM
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There's a service notice to dealers on the 35 Whelen FTF issue, it also includes some 35 Remingtons, the #72541 is a 35 Rem/444 Marlin combo.

I recommend anyone needing service for their H&R, 35 Whelen or otherwise, to call H&R and ask for a return shipping label so they can cover the cost of shipping to them, they don't advertise that they do this, but always do when asked, this is for any warranty service.


https://www.ellettbrothers.com/uploa...elendealer.pdf

Service Notice
9/13/10
To: H&R 1871 Dealers
Subject: 35 Whelen Handi-rifle
H&R 1871 has recently identified a small number of Handi-rifles in 35 Whelen caliber produced between
March 2010 and September 1st that could fail to fire under normal shooting conditions. This malfunction
presents no danger to the shooter, and the outcome is simply the firearm may fail to fire. The necessary
repair changes have been identified to correct this malfunction.
The affected guns are limited to the following H&R skus: 72540, 72612, 72412, 72614, 70705, 72541
If you have a customer return a H&R 35 Whelen rifle, and they have experienced a “fails to fire,” please
have the rifle returned to:
H&R 1871
Attn: Arm Service
14 Hoefler Ave
Ilion, NY 13357
We will make the necessary repair adjustments to the rifle at no charge and return to the sender as
expeditiously as possible.
Any rifles that you have received after September 15th, were produced with the corrective actions in place
and this malfunction should not be an issue on these rifles.
If you have any questions or if we can be of further service to you, please feel free to contact us at 1-866-
776-9292, prompt 4, Monday-Friday, 9am-5pm EST. Please check out our website at www.hr1871.com
Thank you,

Consumer Service Division
H&R 1871

Last edited by Wrongtarget; 09-27-2010 at 06:44 PM. Reason: Added shipping label info
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:22 PM
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Seems like theyre willing to take care of it at least. I have a couple Handi Rifles. Theyre not bad for a cheap rifle.
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Old 10-22-2010, 04:52 PM
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I'm waiting to get it back from H&R - they were very polite and sent a shipping label.
Guy on the phone mentioned the firing pin and/or the transfer bar.
It should be on the way back - but I'm just impatient to get it back to the range.
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:50 PM
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Handi is back, scope is back on, now for some range work !
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Old 11-16-2010, 02:22 PM
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I'm interested in hearing your results. I have a .223 handi that I've struggled with since July for the same reason. I installed a new heavy duty hammer spring in it but this did not solve the misfires.

After re-analyzing the mechanics of the action I realized it's probably a slight headspace issue. To solve this I sanded some material off the hammer - where it makes contact withe the receiver. This allows the hammer to more fully depress the transfer bar and pushes the firing pin farther out.

This bit of weekend warrior gunsmithing fully resolved the misfire problem. I have not experienced any pierced primers with the 4 types of ammo I have tried. If it were to occur, the firing pin could be sanded to a reduced length.

Good luck, and I hope the factory solution works for you.
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:07 PM
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I'm interested in hearing your results. I have a .223 handi that I've struggled with since July for the same reason. I installed a new heavy duty hammer spring in it but this did not solve the misfires.

After re-analyzing the mechanics of the action I realized it's probably a slight headspace issue. To solve this I sanded some material off the hammer - where it makes contact withe the receiver. This allows the hammer to more fully depress the transfer bar and pushes the firing pin farther out.

This bit of weekend warrior gunsmithing fully resolved the misfire problem. I have not experienced any pierced primers with the 4 types of ammo I have tried. If it were to occur, the firing pin could be sanded to a reduced length.

Good luck, and I hope the factory solution works for you.
I bought a Handi-rifle in April of this year in 45-70.I noticed right off that the rifles firing pin strikes were on the light side,but its been working fine until this past weekend.Now its misfiring.I did the same as Mothjr.I removed some material from the hammer area where it strikes the frame to get a better hit on the primer.
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:16 PM
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Well - the .35 goes boom now. The invoice from the factory says that they updated the striker assembly. There is now an oval stamp by the caliber designation with REP inside it.
A new issue has arisen when shooting Hornady 200gr Superformance ammo - shots stringing vertically.
At 100 yd, 1st shot 2"high (just where I wanted it), 2nd shot 3.5"high, 3rd shot 6" high. Cogitate on that for a bit and try again. 1st shot touching previous 1st shot - hmm, good! 2nd shot touching previous 2nd shot - wtf ?, 3rd shot 1/2" right of previous 3rd shot - ????? @#!%
At least it's consistent !

So - taking suggestions as to how to cure vertical stringing. ( Also going to try the Remington 200 gr again )
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:04 PM
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Read the Handi Basic 101 sticky at GBO, it could be caused by oil on the latch/shelf, but probably needs the forend worked on, floated, bedded or whatever works, lots of tips to help in the FAQs and Help sticky there also.

http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/board,126.0.html
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Old 11-17-2010, 05:41 PM
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Interesting - thanks
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Old 12-13-2010, 07:19 PM
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Hey Bruce. Let me know how everything works out please. I was looking at a camo Handi rifle in 35 Whelen at Van's Saturday. If the Handi does not line up right I might go with the CVA Scout. It was about $30 more.

Thanks,

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Old 12-14-2010, 05:50 AM
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Bruce,

There is a guy on these pages known as "ASSASSIN", who is a gunsmith of some note. He makes an aluminum pillar post for the H&R forend that might resolve the issue you're seeing. If you're interested, look up D&T Gunsmithing. Last I heard, he was considering the possibility of manufacturing the posts for sale, so a customer could install them at home. I'm not sure if he ever decided to do that.
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