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Old 12-13-2010, 09:44 AM
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Using an old 1866 Remington Rolling Block Number 1 receiver --- I built my own "baby" rolling block. It has a sweet 16 inch long green mountain barrel on it (bull barrel). It is a dream to carry in the woods.

I shot a buck with a 158 grain hollow point Black Hills factory ammo and it just kept trotting away. I truly THOUGHT I hit it good. A bit back from the heart by about an inch or two. I found the blood and tracked it that night and the next day. Lost the trail though. I looked fror that deer for 3 days!!! Never found it. (I never lost a deer before and it sucks).

SO, it looks like I will "need" to start to handload for this little rolling block. I want to make the best white tail deer load I can.

I have an RCBS press, digital scale. and will need to buy:

Three set Dies
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I assume I also need Magnum PISTOL Primers(?)

Anyone have any recommended loads for white tail deer? What boolit is best?

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Old 12-13-2010, 10:13 AM
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Beartooth 185gr. FNGC. Plenty 'o WW296 or H110 will get it going.
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Old 12-13-2010, 10:43 AM
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2 questions:

How long was the shot? How do you know where you hit it if you didn't recover the deer?

Nothing feels worse than knowing you hit a deer and not recovering it. The bullet Mike recommended will help remedy that situation, presuming it is placed fairly well.
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Old 12-13-2010, 11:46 AM
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broom --the shot was under 30 yards and I watched the deer continue to run away and i "thought" i saw the hole just a bit back from what would have been a heart shot... I ended up re-tracking it (blood) the next morning some 500 yards from where I hit it through rough, steep, jagged woods and heavy brush. I was cut up from the thicket where I eventually lost the blood trail. It was like he just lifted off. I spent about 5 hours walking around and around the spot where I last found the blood. Yea, i felt awful and just could not give up for 3 days and then the rain started and I gave it up.
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:50 PM
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When I was in my early 20's I hit a deer real low in the brisket like that, behind the heart. A good friend of mine, and a personal hunting mentor, helped me track that deer almost 2 miles (thankfully we had snow) before he saw it bedded down and finished it with a neck shot. That day, he taught me to always aim higher than the heart, about halfway up the body, just behind the leg. If you miss by 3" in any direction, the end result is still very lethal. That low shot, if you miss 3" low, left, or right, you've got an empty tag and/or an empty feeling in the pit of your stomach. If you aim higher up, no matter which way your shot goes, you're still into lungs, heart, or CNS.

I never hold low anymore, unless I'm bow-hunting and the deer seems alarmed, so he might jump the string. In that case, I hold low because the deer will frequently drop right into a perfect center lung shot.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:16 PM
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broom---I hear you. I thought I was aiming just above the heart too... I admit he was moving fast and I only had seconds to take aim and pull the trigger... or not. Looking back I could have waited and then had another shot after he went behind a tree and re-emerged. Hindsight and I would have waited for the second opportunity AFTER he slipped behind that second tree and re-emerged, the shot would have been a bit longer in distance but I would have had a little longer time to aim before he went back behind cover again. One of the things about hunting in northern woods. You can play the reel over and over in your head and drive yourself crazy on the times when it did not work. Of course when it works--you're a hero! I was not aiming that low for sure but that is where I thought I saw a dark spot right after the gun barked.
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:43 PM
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zoar, first we NEED pic's! sounds like a cool rifle. My first pistol kill was about 8 years ago, using a S&W 686. Shooting 158gr JSP Remington ammo. The shot was about 30 yards just behind the front leg. She ran 20 yards and done a nose dive, ending up against a tree. With a good hit a .357 mag is more than capable.
The biggest deer i ever shot , i lost and i shot him with a 12 ga. Brenneke slug. I tracked him for about a mile before i lost him. The blood trail just stopped. I went back the next day but to no avail, it really sucks when you loose any game that you've shot.
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:16 AM
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I hope that works.
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:17 AM
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:47 AM
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Zoar, great walk-around-the-woods gun! Nice job.

Regarding a load for that little buck buster, I did some extensive agricultural depredation work in the orchards of S. Oregon before moving to Idaho a couple decades ago, and my favorite tool of harvest was a little .357 levergun loaded with our BTB 359"-185gFNGC bullet, 16.0g H110 and a WSP primer. Out of an 18.5" barrel it clocked a consistent 1860 fps with no pressure signs.

Here's a link to the bullet.
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This load harvested between 60-90 blacktail deer every spring for seven years... in that time I only had to shoot 2 deer more than once, and both times was from poor bullet placement on my part, and being in an area of suburban sprawl I didn't want them going far. Usually the deer would fold up within just a few very wobbly steps from where they were hit. I NEVER recovered one of these bullets from a deer, and it would leave a blood trail that a blind girl-scout could follow!

Feed that little Rolling Block the right bullets, and it will feed you! Nice rifle.

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Old 12-14-2010, 08:00 AM
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1860 Feet Per second?! 180 grain flat nosed hard cast bullet... Wow. That would be a smacker.

I will look into it.

I reload now for the Mighty 50/90 but have not reloaded any other round. I imagine I need different primers for the 357 mag loads.
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:01 AM
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Very nice rifle! Thanks for the pic's
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:26 AM
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zoar, I sometimes use Buffalo Bore 180gr. LFN-GC. According to Buffalo Bore, out of an 18" barrel it's rated at 2153 FPS - 1853 FPE.

158gr. is enough with a good hit and proper bullet.
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2153 FPS?!!! Wow. That is amazingly high. higher than anything I've seen in print.
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With the barrel on your gun being as short at is, "print" is the only place where you'll see that kind of velocity from a 180gr bullet! I'm not sure about those BB loads, but they sure do claim some impressive numbers.
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With the barrel on your gun being as short at is, "print" is the only place where you'll see that kind of velocity from a 180gr bullet! I'm not sure about those BB loads, but they sure do claim some impressive numbers.
Do I detect a little (maybe alot) of sarcasm broom?
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Not sarcasm, so much as skepticism. The velocity Buffalo Bore claims for some of their rounds is almost impossible to believe, but I'm not saying they're false. However, in Zoar's carbine, I seriously doubt they'll go that fast.
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Not sarcasm, so much as skepticism. The velocity Buffalo Bore claims for some of their rounds is almost impossible to believe, but I'm not saying they're false. However, in Zoar's carbine, I seriously doubt they'll go that fast.
I doubt they'll go that fast either since those numbers were stated with an 18" barrel. I'm not sure one way or the other since I haven't used a chrono. to test it but I'm not going to be contrary about those numbers either until I know better.
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:51 AM
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[QUOTE=Marshall Stanton;543803]Zoar, great walk-around-the-woods gun! Nice job.

Regarding a load for that little buck buster, I did some extensive agricultural depredation work in the orchards of S. Oregon before moving to Idaho a couple decades ago, and my favorite tool of harvest was a little .357 levergun loaded with our BTB 359"-185gFNGC bullet, 16.0g H110 and a WSP primer. Out of an 18.5" barrel it clocked a consistent 1860 fps with no pressure signs.

Marchall---I noticed you are using a SMALL PISTOL PRIMER in that load, not even a regular pistol and certainly not a Magnum Pistol.

Why?
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Old 12-16-2010, 05:58 AM
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I don't know if Marshall will be on the forum every day so let me try to answer.

First, Winchester Small Pistol primers are plenty hot. Winchester Small Pistol Magnum primers are REALLY hot, reportedly hotter than some small rifle primers.

While a strong primer is helpful with slow burning powders, the primer doesn't have to be as strong (in my experience) if you have a really heavy bullet in front of it. Not only is the powder charge less than with a light bullet, but the mass of the bullet helps to hold the powder back till it can get burning.

FYI, I have used the Federal Small Pistol Magnum primer when working up Marshall's load, with no problems. Evidence would suggest it is about the right strength also.

I can't comment on other brands of small pistol magnum primers. Just repeating, as accurately as I can remember, what Marshall told me years ago about that load and the Win primers.

Hope that helps.
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