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Old 05-01-2011, 02:45 AM
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I would appreciate advice on single-shot 30-30s.... I recently got to shoot a 30-30 lever gun for the first time, and was taken with the cartridge - bottle-neck, tapered, rimmed - and would like a single-shot, break action in 30-30 for target shooting... I reload.... the choices I've seen is a H & R 30-30, or a Savage 219.... any others ? Are the 219s good guns ? Old should not be a problem with my mild reloads... Thanks, George

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Old 05-01-2011, 03:55 AM
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George,
Are you sure of the Model # on the Savage? I think the correct Model is 219. I have one and it is a great little rifle. Saw one at a gun show recently for over $300. They haven't been made in a long time. I think I would go with somethig in current production.
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Yep, I got the numbers transposed.... Thanks
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Old 05-01-2011, 06:12 AM
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If you're budget-conscious, the H&R is a good little rifle that will serve you well. I have four of them, all told, and they all shoot better than I deserve for the money I've put into them.

Another, more pricey option, is to get either a G2 Contender or Encore frame from T/C and then get a full-length 30/30 barrel. The T/C is much more popular than the H&R, and the Encore is capable of tolerating higher pressures, but that is hardly a concern for you, unless you'd like to add something more powerful, at a later date.

Either of those will do justice to the range and effectiveness of the 30/30, plus you'll have the option to handload with pointy bullets, if you choose to do so. While not as much of an advantage as it was before Hornady introduced the LeverEvolution rounds, handloading the 30/30, for a single-shot, still gives you a lot of flexibility.
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Old 05-01-2011, 06:42 AM
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I've owned several of the Savage 219's, I really like the way they look and handle. They offer several advantages over repeating rifles. If you handload, and you should, you don't have to worry about your loads functioning through the action. I've loaded everything from a single pellet of buckshot up to a 214 grain gas check cast bullet. Because the singleshot action is so compact the 219 with 26" barrel is only slightly longer overall than a repeater with a 20" tube. And that 26" barrel adds easily 100 fps to any load vs. the common 20" barrel. I've loaded Hornady 130 grain spire points to over 2700 fps, which makes the 30/30 a surprisingly flat shooting round.
I've also owned them in .22 hornet and .22 K Hornet, always wanted a 25/35 but never came across one.
I've found there is one handling caution with the 219. On most of them the striker is cocked by movement of the top lever and it is possible to move the top lever just far enough to open the action but without cocking the striker so that when you release the lever the striker rides back down and the firing pin protrudes. If you then load a round and slam the action shut the round may fire or it may also break the firing pin. They are somewhat of a pain to work on the internals. That refers to the earlier models with the inline striker. Later versions used a pivoting internal hammer but I never owned one of those so can't comment on them except to say it probably is possible to get a better trigger pull on those.
The old H&R's are also nice but I don't have much use for the later NEF versions, they're heavy and just don't have the "class" of the early versions.
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While acceptable as is, the H&R/NEF rifles can be worked over into some nice rifles. Here is a link to a 223 re-chambered to 225 Winchester by David white. David posts on the Shooters Forum as ASSASSIN (deer assassin).
David built up a 30-30AI as a walking rifle that is very attractive.

http://www.dandtcustomgunworks.websi...ost?id=3610924
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Those two (Savage and H&R) were the most common...probably some got house brand names sometime in their lives (Revelation,Ted Williams, etc). Believe there were some Argintine single shots like them, but honestly don't remember what calibers they were made in.

Simple guns, should be no problem with your mild reloads.

Used an H&R topper for a whole lot of shooting in the old days. Freind gave me a feed bag of .308 FMJ bullets that had probably been "pop offs" from a fire in some national guard armory. Even after sorting out the hoplessly dented/scraped bullets, were plenent to keep me shooting for the last 3 years of colledge.

Most went though that 30-30 H&R. Showing up at the range on sight-in-day (just before deer season, when the range was open to all) pretty much gathered enough cases to last a year.

Banging away with a Lee loader, graduated to an old Lyman toing tool by Senior year. Somehwere along the line a bullet mold came my way (believe it was #311466...the Loverin style)... been pretty well hooked on casting from then on.
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I had to grin when I saw mention of the Savage 219. I finally got one in 30/30 about three years ago or so. It's in Super condition, handy to carry and mine is extra special accurate. If you have/get a line on a nice one, do not hesitate! Oh, and after you get it, don't dry-fire it without a snap cap....
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I had a 219 in 22 Hornet. Nice rifle except for the 8# trigger(shotgun).

I recently won a NEF Handi rifle in 30-30 and 223. MUCH beter trigger. I dont know what they sell for.
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Unfortunately the 219 did borrow the trigger design from the old M-99 savage and it is a terrible design. I've redesigned a couple of them, both 219's and 99's, to get a safe, crisp and light trigger pull which can never be done with the original system.
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I wouldn't argue that about the trigger. But when on a rifle that likely never cost $100. when new (such as the 219), it's not such a surprise. In an earlier post I saw someone comparing a M99's trigger with a M88's and saying the M99 was clearly better. Although the m88's trigger is not comparable to a fine, adjustable bolt gun's, I find it (mine, anyway) to be way nicer than the two M99s I've owned. Of course guns, like people, are all individuals!!
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Both the 219 and the 99 Savages have used two different designs at different times and different models. The earlier versions and the most common type used an inline striker held to the rear by a long curved "sear" which was cammed down by the trigger to release the striker. It's pretty much impossible to get a sharp, crisp and light pull which is still safe against accidental discharge from a bump to the rifle. It's somewhat like a military Mauser design except the Mauser gets around it by using a two stage trigger whereas the Savage design is single stage, heavy and creepy the whole distance.
The better variation used an internal rotating hammer with conventional sear engagement and those can be made light and crisp.
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Coyote-you said you redesigned a M99 trigger. I suspectr that is different from the Savage 99-lever.

Know of anyone who works, reliably, on Savage 99s and can tweek that trigger??
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If you have that early style trigger system there are limits as to how light and short the pull can be made without compromising safe carry. They really need to be redesigned and new parts fabricated. It would depend on how bad your trigger is at present as to how much improvement can be gained by simple honing of engagement surfaces. On the other hand, many hundreds of thousands of Savage 99 owners have managed to get along with the factory trigger. Most serious gun people have been spoiled by great triggers and we just can't stomach a so-so trigger but no doubt we can learn to live with it if we really try.
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I would appreciate advice on single-shot 30-30s.... I recently got to shoot a 30-30 lever gun for the first time, and was taken with the cartridge - bottle-neck, tapered, rimmed - and would like a single-shot, break action in 30-30 for target shooting... I reload.... the choices I've seen is a H & R 30-30, or a Savage 219.... any others ? Are the 219s good guns ? Old should not be a problem with my mild reloads... Thanks, George
can't go wrong with a 219. great gun, if you find one get it they come with extra bbls, I hae 2 a 30/30 an a 12ga. Have extra barrels 22hornet- 20ga- 410ga. They can be hard to find but worth the search. Bought my 219 30/30 with 3 extra bbls at local gun shop in va. for $200. The other 219 was my dads, 12ga. got first deer with it
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The nice thing about the 219/220 is that Boyd's Gunstocks makes stocks for it. They are the same stock that fits the Model 24 O/U or the Model 94 single shotgun.

Also the 219 comes with a 26 inch barrel, not like the H&R with a 20 inch shorty. They are nice shooters will work well with cast bullets.
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Yep my hornet bbl is 26" But my 30/30 is only 20. Thought in should be longer. But that thing is sweet. Giving me one and half in. groups at 100yds. with the new leverution ammo.Nice and compact love it
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Another option is to find an old Savage 340c.

It is a bolt rifle, with a detachable, flush fitting magazine.
It's action is similar in appearance to the enfield action, and surely as strong. The only drawback to the 340c is the fact that if you wish to use optics, you'll have to find the mount for the gun that hangs over the receiver.
My 340 is extremely accurate.
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While not a single shot, it can be used as such, I have a 1966 Canadian Centennial 94 with the 26" octagon Barrel. It's very accurate, capable of 4" groups at 200 yards with the stock sights, better now since I installed a Williams receiver sight. The longer barrel allowed me to push 100 gr varmint bullets to 3100 fps without any sign of over pressure using H335 powder lit with a CCI 300 primer
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