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Old 01-19-2012, 04:20 AM
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magnum calibers and the encore


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Thinking I should have built a bolt however I already owned the encore
can good accuracy not ok but good accuracy at least moa actualy be obtained on an encore frame with a magnum caliber not yet happy with my results added a bellm spring kit did not do the hindge pin mine is tight also added a bellm lock up spring.
my barrel is a mgm heavy contour. now I have not shot it since these upgrades but it seems that all these things might help a little bit but the gun has a long way to go as it only gave me 1'' groups at 50 I was affraid to look if I would have tried 100.
the round is a cat but nouthing serious just necked a 264win mag or 7mm rem mag to accept a .270 bullet. I will be testing again tomorrow weather permiting but i don't have big hopes for those changes.
Anyone with mag encores that shoot really good sound off
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Old 01-19-2012, 12:57 PM
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Do not despair...yet. Shooting a rifle at 50 yards, for groups, rarely tells you anything worthwhile. Some bullets don't go to sleep that quick. Plus, it's a new barrel. Break it in and shoot at longer distances before you get too disturbed. Also, there is nothing in the world wrong with a gun that shoots 1.5" - 2.0" groups at 100 yards. You haven't even begun to tweak load data...still lots of things to try before you write it off as a bad idea.

You'll hate me for saying this, but you might get better results when you don't load it too hot. If it winds up being a belted 270 Winchester...well, there's worse things!
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:35 PM
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Do not despair...yet. Shooting a rifle at 50 yards, for groups, rarely tells you anything worthwhile. Some bullets don't go to sleep that quick. Plus, it's a new barrel. Break it in and shoot at longer distances before you get too disturbed. Also, there is nothing in the world wrong with a gun that shoots 1.5" - 2.0" groups at 100 yards. You haven't even begun to tweak load data...still lots of things to try before you write it off as a bad idea.

You'll hate me for saying this, but you might get better results when you don't load it too hot. If it winds up being a belted 270 Winchester...well, there's worse things!
not a 270 but i am down a bit and I know I still have lots to do


a belta 270 would suk
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Old 01-19-2012, 05:05 PM
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not a 270 but i am down a bit and I know I still have lots to do


a belta 270 would suk
I have a belt-less 270 and think the world of it!
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Old 01-20-2012, 03:32 AM
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I have a belt-less 270 and think the world of it!
oh we got jokes now I see
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Old 01-20-2012, 04:34 AM
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At the risk of creating even more mirth...the 270 Winchester ain't no joke.

If your gun winds up producing performance that is somewhere between the original 270 and the WSM version, I don't see why you should be all that disappointed. You (should have) went into this venture knowing the best possible outcome would be a gun that emulates a 270 Weatherby. However, since you chose a platform that is not ideal for the pressures created by that big-jugged case, it is reasonable to expect your 270-338 will not perform to that level. Hence, 270WSM is about the best you can hope for, at this point.

One of the harsher lessons wildcatting teaches folks is that barrels of a given caliber all shoot the same bullets; the ONLY thing that changes is the velocity of said bullets. Your gun will be faster than a 270 REN, 270 Savage or 6.8SPC. It will probably be a little faster than a standard 270 Win and hopefully pretty close to a 270WSM. It won't be as fast as the Weatherby and probably won't even reach the full potential of the 270-338, due the limitations of the Encore frame. None of that is an indictment of your particular creation or the wildcatting process as a whole. It is what it is...and a hot, belted 270 Win is not a bad thing. If it makes you feel better, call it a mildly loaded 270 Weatherby.

I live in Indiana where we have dumb laws about what cartridge you can use in a rifle to hunt deer. The bullet has to be 35 caliber and the case has to be no greater than 1.8". This creates a fertile ground for wildcat development because guys want to get the best performance they can, while staying within those parameters. When I heard about these new regulations, I started day-dreaming about what kind of cartridge would work. One of the oldest wildcats in existence is nothing more than a 30/30 case necked up to 35 caliber. I thought this would be a good candidate, if it was trimmed back to 1.800"...turns out Bob Milek and Steve Herrett beat me to it when they created the 357 Herrett (1.750") decades ago. My next thought is another cartridge that is over 100 years old; a 35 Remington, trimmed to 1.800". Well, I got to looking around on a few Indiana-specific forums and that is already being done, as well.

My point? All the GOOD ideas for wildcats have been done. Heck, most of the lousy ones, too. In the end, they all spit bullets out of a tube. If this round is not turning out to be what you wanted, the smartest thing you could possibly do is to accept it for WHAT IT IS. It's a 350-400 yard rifle for deer and goats...which is all it was ever gonna be, anyway! Chin up!
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:45 AM
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I am getting closer to what I want todays test went much better
trigger job hammer spring and lock up spring changed to heavy springs
all ammo fed properly and I found some loads she did not like I found some so so and i found one it realy liked so i am on my way
I would never discredit the 270 and my one load that works well so far will prob be similar to 270wsm have to look it up
bottom line if I can make my 140gr serria hpgk work for normal hunting situations and get even one round like the one i had today to work for long range plinking and hunting i will be very happy.
should have pics tomorrow camera is charging
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:54 AM
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oh yea learning what I have learned so far I have decided to go to gunsmith school waiting on enrolment package now
gonna build my daughter a 250 sav or 257 roberts on a mauser 96 unless I can find a 98 cheep or a beat up sav. or rem rifle with short action real cheap
gonna due it step by step as I take the course.

and first real cheep sav 7mm rem mag I find once summer comes arround and i can put in some part time work I will build my 270 ELMO mag in a bolt and push it to see what it can do. just seen one go for 250.00 so 250.00 plus 200.00 for shaw barrel good to go
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