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Old 02-11-2012, 08:19 PM
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I just picked up a new toy a few days ago - a new Winchester 1885 Safari in .375 H&H. Winchester recently had a closeout sale on these rifles to their wholesalers, and some of the wholesalers are passing on the savings. I got this one from Kjergaard Sports through Gunbroker.com for $829 (on a rifle that lists for $1339!). I believe they have more they're selling should you be interested.

This should be a fun rifle, able to run light cast loads or full-house Cape Buffalo loads. At least I'll be prepared in case we're over-run with stampeding Cape Buffalo in the near future... As usual, the bluing and fit/finish on the rifle is excellent. The wood is straight-grained and plain, but dark and well-matched to the look and purpose of the rifle. I'll let you know how it shoots after I get some range time.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:37 AM
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Now I believe you know the rules, RULE NO.1- without pictures it didn't happen!!!
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:43 AM
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Ok - here's proof it happened. I added the Williams FP sight to the rifle.
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Old 02-12-2012, 12:42 PM
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Very, very nice! I might have to give them a call. I got a 45-70 Anniversary Model from them about four months ago. Shot it last week after I put a Leupold 2.5-8 on it (I'm old and blind) and with Rem factory loads shot 1.1" at 100 yds. Can't believe how accurate they are. The Williams is a fine sight, I put one on before the scope. Problem is my old eyes just can't see good enough anymore without glass. Good luck and have fun shooting it.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:27 PM
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These are very accurate rifles. My 1885 Hunter is the most accurate rifle I've fired. I'm hoping this one follows in the same tradition.

I did pick up some more scope bases, and I have a Leupold M8 6x scope waiting in the wings, but I wanted to play with the Williams sight first and see how well I can shoot with it. These rifles feel so handy without scopes that I hesitate to put one on! I will probably put a Lyman 17 globe sight on the front (I love the aperture front & rear sighting system), but it does have a nice gold bead front sight. The front sight on this rifle is notably taller than the front sights on the other 1885's that I've seen. Noting that in the stock photos Winchester showed the rear sight closer to the receiver than the sight actually is (the rear sight is where all the other rifles have them, unlike the stock photos), I wonder if the sight was designed originally for a rear sight positioned closer to the receiver (and thus higher up on the tapered barrel).
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:40 PM
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I had to use a Lyman #20MJT sight on mine to get it high enough. It's a nice sight, a larger diameter globe than the #17 and it sits higher.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:55 PM
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I've been using the Lyman 20 sights on a couple of my 1885 rifles. I like the look of the smaller Lyman 17 better, but the Lyman 20's definitely match the receiver sights much better. Most likely I'll end up using the Lyman 20 (I have one available), if I don't opt to go right to a scope.
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Looks like you have some fun in front of you Red, and congrats on a good buy!
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:23 PM
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Thanks, Shawn! I was tempted to get an Elephant Stomper like your .458 Lott, but I always seem to get seduced by an 1885 at a good price...
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I have a soft spot for the 1885's and may have to look at something besides the 45-70 that I have, but it won't be in anything .458 rimless!
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Red Pepper how many of those 1885's are in your safe(s) now? I swapped that winchester 1885 45-70 I had for a Browning 1885 in 22-250 plus some cash. I went from way too big to way too small. Although this browning is not nearly as nice as the one I had, it just has some character to it.
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Old 02-13-2012, 02:45 PM
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Hey Shawn - not to worry; they don't chamber it in anything more powerful than the .375 H&H.

Smokinfz1: Just 3. I sold the .45-90/sights/brass/dies in a cash + trade arrangement (cash + Ruger #1 in .300 Wby Mag, ammo, & Leupold M8 6x scope) and converted part of the funds into the .375 H&H. Still have the .270WSM and the Browning .454. I've seriously considered one of the Brownings in .22-250. I think that would be a fun gun to shoot - let me know how you like yours!
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well, I've only shot one ladder through it, best so far was just over .5". I've got another 50 loaded up with some IMR3031, if that doesn't do the trick H380 will be the next try.
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:37 PM
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I finally made some smoke and noise through the Safari. I think I'm in love. I really like the very visible gold bead front sight centered in the Williams FP aperture rear sight. 248 grain cast bullets loaded to 1700 fps were very pleasant to shoot, and shot quite well - as long as I had the bullets seated close to the rifling. The rounds where the bullets were seated down to the crimping groove opened up the group size considerably. I was just shooting at 25 yards to get some initial sighting done (and with a very strong cross-wind there wasn't much point in shooting any further away). With bullets seated close to the rifling, the shots would pretty much touch each other; seated to the crimp groove, the group size would become around 5" - at 25 yards!

I also shot a few full-house 270 gr. jacketed rounds (I only had 6 jacketed bullets to load) just to check velocity and see how it recoiled. 4 were loaded at 2530 fps; two at 2680 fps. I shot them standing (except for two off the bench), but recoil was a non-issue. I'm sure having a 9.7 lbs rifle with two recoil pads helps... (I put a limbsaver slip-on pad over the stock with the factory pad to get the length of pull where I want it). Even so, the recoil seemed more like a drawn-out push - much more gentle than 500 grain .45-90 loads (no matter how much padding I had those seemed to hurt)! And the deep roar of the rifle was most satisfying. I could almost feel the heat of Africa as I faced-down a charging Cape Buffalo in the tall grass...
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I picked up one of the 300H&H's , had it since Nov and haven't even shot it yet. The 375 really tempted me a few times this winter, there was one available near by. Weather permitting I will get out next weekend.
Could be a tough weekend, there is the 300 and a new K1 Merkel in 7mag to check out.
I put a Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest on the 300.
I wasn't especially impressed with the rear sight on my 300, I also have a piece of walnut to build a new stock for it, the Winchester wood is just too plain for my taste.
However, it is an 1885, and I'm looking forward to getting it out. I love 1885's.
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I replaced the rear sight on my .375 with a Williams aperture rear. The front sight (gold bead) is nice. The wood is pretty plain, but certainly solid. Great for a hunting gun; fancier would be sure be nicer, however (I also would love to have a pistol grip)!
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