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Zanntheman 02-16-2012 11:16 AM

45-70 single shot rifle
 
Anyone have a good single shot 45-70 for sale or some good advice on what to buy. I am 66 years old and have never owned this type of gun for deer hunting. Any help will be greatly appreciated That's for all you guys help. PS. I can't spend and arm and leg for this gun.

broom_jm 02-16-2012 12:14 PM

Welcome to Shooters Forum, Zanntheman! :)

Your best bet for a single-shot 45-70 that won't drain your bank account is an H&R handi-rifle. New or used, you won't be out a whole lot of money and you'll have a perfectly functional firearm. Let us know if you find one!

nsb 02-16-2012 12:32 PM

Ditto on the Handi rifle. I have a Sharps and a High Wall and I'm missing two arms and two legs. For the money you won't go wrong.

oldred 02-17-2012 08:14 AM

Make that three for the Handi, absolutely can't be beat for the price! These rifles are very accurate shooters and unbelievably strong if you want to use something heavier than the BP equivalent factory loads, this thing can be loaded until your shoulder gives out long before the rifle gives up. Another option is the TC Encore which is also an accurate shooter and a very strong rifle, the Encore is a bit more money but you should be pleased with either rifle.

Griz 02-17-2012 08:14 AM

ditto on the H&R

not only can you not beat it for the money, it will perform as well as a lot of rifles I cannot afford. They are just all-round good guns. And a big plus, you can add about 50 different rifle and shotgun barrels to the receiver.... careful, they're addictive.

Crusty Ol'Coot 02-17-2012 04:55 PM

Well, I'll be swimming up stream here and will likely have some big rocks thrown my way, but unless $$$$$ are a big issue, there are some great single shot rifles that even on a bad day out shine and out class the handi rifle.

I would not go there in saying anything about quality here, but in spite of the fact I have picked up and handled a number of these rifles, I just could never bring my self to go there.

Now if I wanted a rough beat around truck/4wheeler rifle, OK.

Yes I know lots of folks like them. However, that is not everyone and as such, the Handi rifle will not get my vote.

You can do better, look around a bit.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

Shawn Crea 02-17-2012 05:19 PM

I can't throw any dirt on the H&R as I've never had one. H&R doesn't list any prices that I can see: H&R Handi-Rifle™

Some arms and legs are worth more than to others, so I'm not sure what your threshold is?

I do have a single shot Browning 1885 in 45-70 that I like a lot. Browning doesn't list them on their website anymore, but Winchester does. Model 1885 Traditional Sporter — Case Hardened, -- Winchester Repeating Arms -- Product Model

MSRP of $1,450 for the 'sporter', but you should be able to find one for a real price something a bit more than $1,000.

broom_jm 02-17-2012 06:05 PM

The H&R won't win any beauty contests and it will never be a rifle that increases in value over time. What it WILL DO is shoot remarkably well for the money you spend on it. It's no trick at all to find one for less than $300 that will shoot groups that are nearly as good as rifles costing four times that much. To some folks, that is the difference between being able to buy a single shot rifle and only being able to dream about it.

Big Bore 02-17-2012 07:32 PM

I have quite a few .45-70s, handguns and rifles. By far the most elegant of them all is the Ruger No. 1. Accurate as a varmint rifle, stronger than just about any other .45-70 on the market and a whole lot stronger than any break open action .45-70, lightweight, and just a dog-gonned pleasure to look at, hold, and shoot. Unless you are shooting heavy loads. My No.1 .45-70 with 450 gr. bullets behind a max load of powder is the most brutally recoiling rifle I own, and I own more than a few elephant rifles. The No. 1 can be a pleasure to shoot, or a real beast, depending on how you feed it. But one thing for sure, you will NEVER regret getting one. They don't call it a No. 1 for nothing you know, and the .45-70 is God's chosen sledgehammer.

And this next part is a little morbid but as I am getting older, I do find myself considering the inheritance value of anything I now buy. I know that I would much rather pass down to my son the Ruger No. 1 than the H&R. There is something almost heirloom quality about the No. 1 that would make any recipient pleased to receive it, even if the recipient was not a real gun person.

oldred 02-18-2012 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by broom_jm (Post 607019)
The H&R won't win any beauty contests and it will never be a rifle that increases in value over time. What it WILL DO is shoot remarkably well for the money you spend on it. It's no trick at all to find one for less than $300 that will shoot groups that are nearly as good as rifles costing four times that much. To some folks, that is the difference between being able to buy a single shot rifle and only being able to dream about it.



I have to agree with every bit of that, the Handi in 45/70 that shows up with my buddy on weekends is an absolute tack driver and would be considered a good shooter compared to any rifle at any price! As far as strength the Handi will handle any sane load a person is willing to shoot and easily handle max loads for the Ruger no.1 so strength and accuracy is just a non-issue. Ok so it's not the prettiest girl at the party, the OP said he was looking for a good deer rifle and didn't want to spend an "arm and a leg" so what better to fill those needs than a Handi? The TC Encore I mentioned is everything the Handi is, exceptionally strong and very accurate with a bit more class but it costs a tad more too. The Encore is a step up in class maybe and even has the same multi-caliber interchangeability of the Handi but as a shooter it's no better or worse than the Handi.

pruhdlr 02-18-2012 09:03 AM

My Handi
 
I have owned NEF Handi Rifles for some years now. At this point I still own 6 different chamberings. Including 444Marlin,45-70,and 500S&W Mag. I have the bbl on all of them chopped to 18 inches and the LOP reduced to 13.25 inches. The two Handi's chembered in 45-70 are excellent deer and hog slayers.

For the price paid, the Handi's(big bores) are an excellent value. NOW....you can go out and buy a Ruger #1 for $600+ or a Handi for less than $300. Is the hand worth half as much as the Ruger ?? I'd say so. Besides the Ruger #1's are just too darned pretty to actually use. --- pruhdlr

broom_jm 02-18-2012 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pruhdlr (Post 607108)
I have owned NEF Handi Rifles for some years now. At this point I still own 6 different chamberings. Including 444Marlin,45-70,and 500S&W Mag. I have the bbl on all of them chopped to 18 inches and the LOP reduced to 13.25 inches. The two Handi's chembered in 45-70 are excellent deer and hog slayers.

For the price paid, the Handi's(big bores) are an excellent value. NOW....you can go out and buy a Ruger #1 for $600+ or a Handi for less than $300. Is the hand worth half as much as the Ruger ?? I'd say so. Besides the Ruger #1's are just too darned pretty to actually use. --- pruhdlr

Most of the actual selling prices for a #1 in 45-70 is closer to $900, or triple what the H&R goes for, which serves to prove your point even more.

NFG 02-18-2012 09:39 AM

I have several H&R's both shotgun and rifles. I buy rifles for utility and beauty...they are tools to me to get the job done. Most of them shot very well once I tuned them using well known "accurizing" techniques...some NEVER shot worth a hoot and ended up as stub barrels for switch barrels in various cals I wanted to play with.

The problem now is the cost of the H&R's are going up faster than the length of a skirt(if you can find someone wearing skirts nowdays). The last time I checked the price of a NEF BC is was about $450 bucks...WAY too much for that platform considering the cost of a R#1 or a Sharps(import)...and people on the auction sights are getting away with daylight robbery for the money they want and probably get for an NEF/H&R.

If you want good prices go to Buds Sporting online...you can get good prices on just about ANY rifle or shotgun that beat all but the most discounted of the discount stores.

I'm finishing up a "poorboys" 600 NE...a 20ga rifle barreled USH. I'm getting over 1700fs with 750 gr, 0.625" slugs using 3" roll crimped Cheddite shotgun shells...at ~15KPSI...not bad for a shotgun that I paid about $250 for...doncha think? :eek::cool:

No matter WHAT it is...the value lies with the one desiring the object...the rest is just smoke and mirrors.:eek::)

MMichaelAK 02-20-2012 07:02 PM

Number Ones in 45-70 up here are going for $700-$750 with a scope in used racks. Number Threes are running about $500-$600 up here.

I love my Number Ones and yes, hunt with them. If you have a pretty girl, what good is it if you don't take her out?

I'd save a few more dollars and get the Ruger. Skip the coffee and smokes and lunches and dinners out and you'll be there quick. Unless you're taking the wife out. Don't skip those dinners. ;)

As for the H&R safely handling Ruger Number One Only loads, I wasn't aware it could. I know what those are like in a Number 3 and the 405 grain lead bullets at 180-1850 fps are REAL attention getters.

oldred 02-21-2012 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MMichaelAK (Post 607589)
As for the H&R safely handling Ruger Number One Only loads, I wasn't aware it could..

Ruger no.1 loads are shot in the rifles a lot by those who can take the recoil and they are generally considered to be very strong rifles.

I know of one fellow who shoots loads in his handi that I would be afraid to shoot in anything! That kid is nuts and eventually I have no doubt it will catch up to him but if ever there was a test bed for max 45/70 loads that guy's rifle is it. So far there seems to be no damage and the thing still locks up tight with no signs of case separation but like I said I wouldn't shoot those rounds in a bolt gun, the recoil is as you would imagine but he thinks it's funny! :rolleyes:

broom_jm 02-21-2012 02:57 AM

Even the "Modern" rifle loads for the 45/70 are in the 50,000psi range, which is just about perfect for the H&R. Hodgdon lists a 400gr bullet at 2100fps, generating 49,000psi. Perfectly safe in an H&R SB2 action, but you won't find ME shooting it! :D

As far as that goes, they make quite a few H&R guns in 500S&W, which is shooting a heavier bullet at greater pressure, so... ?

Tnhunter 02-21-2012 07:11 AM

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I'll cast my vote for the Ruger #1 flavor for a 45-70 single shot. They carry some decent heft to help in the recoil department, if you are looking at warm loads in the 45-70. Mine came to live with me from an online ad where it cost me $675., and had nary a mark on either metal or wood. It shoots the LE 325gr load very well.

Here it is below a similar #1A in 7x57

tacklebury 02-22-2012 06:04 PM

+1 on the Handi-rifle. If you can get ahold of a Buffalo Classic I like mine mucho. ;)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-E...lo_Classic.JPG

BAGTIC 02-22-2012 09:44 PM

Handi-Rifle or "something better"?

Depends on whether you are buying for show or for shoot.

I have 45-70 in Handi-Rifle, Browning 1885, Ruger 1, Ruger 1-A, Marlin lever action, and Winchester lever action. The H&R will do everything the other single-shots do and everything the LA's do except really quick doubles. Anything you shoot won't be able to tell what gun it came from.

Crusty Ol'Coot 02-23-2012 10:33 AM

You are correct BAGTIC.

This is an to each his own subject, so therefore I am casting no stones at handi rifle owners.

I can still remember the long time ago joy of sitting on a hill side in the Blue Mountains of South Eastern Washington with my first #1B - 7mm mag on my lap.

What joy it was to have such a fine and beautiful rifle with me.

Did I get an elk? Nope, never even saw one, but that time will be with me until I am gone.

A year or so later, that rifle did take my first elk, however. Bang/flop, DRT!

AS to strength and function, well the #1 has it, and along with it's classic beauty.

So, as said to each his own. I have picked up handi rifles, including the buffalo classic and always returned them to the rack and walked away. Just have not gone there. Probably won't.

Yes, my hunting rifles are tools, but for me at least, the quality and beauty of the #1 is the deal clincher.

I am quite in love with my RUGER #1s - 45/70

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot


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