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Old 03-18-2012, 07:46 AM
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MARTINI .22 to .218Mashburn Bee


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first,
will the martini model 12 (or 1215) be strong enough to rechamber to .218 Mashburn Bee, and what (or where do I find) info on min. bbl length to achieve max (fps??) for the ,218. want short bbl as possible.
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Old 03-18-2012, 08:46 AM
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Some thoughts. Your rifle is presently valuable, changing it will substantially reduce its value. But it is your call.

Only your gunsmith can make the call on such a conversiton.

The year of manufacture will be a factor, as the metal strength can vary.

The small Martini action is usually strong enough for converstion to other CF cartridges beside the 219. 310 Greener, 300 Rook, and 357 are seen.

You might want to check the barrel as the 218 washburn bullets are larger than the standard 22rl bullets???

Just my thoughts
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You will have to rebarrel. Also a .22 rimfire will require bushing the block and conversion to centerfire. Need to find a 'smith knowledgeable in working with the Martini. Goat
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Find another Martini action and get a Mashy I have one and I LOVE IT. Very sexy little cartridge. Just do not alter your .22. If you don't want it sell it and use the funds to pay for the Mashy.
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Old 05-11-2012, 11:14 AM
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Pity Pity Pity , I have a Martini centre fire action ready to have a barrel screwed on and a stock fitted. It was my 17 Rem for 20yrs and thousands of rounds and lots of very dead vermin. The barrel eventually started to open the groups and I got a 17 Rem barrel for my Encore. I am in the UK which causes all sorts of problems though. Otherwise you could have it with my compliments. I have no knowledge of what licences etc would be required etc . I havea tame Firearms Dealer here who could ship it. I will make enquiries.
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:59 PM
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I have a 12/15 martini that has been converted to a 17 Ackly Bee wich is the 218 Bee necked
down to 17 cal. Have stoked this up to almost 3900fps thats a lot higher pressure than what
you're talking about with no problem. You will need to drill the block for center fire and either
make a firing pin or modify one from the 310 martini cadet also use the extractor from the
cadet. Action is plenty strong enough.
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:44 PM
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As far as I know, any steel Martini action is OK for .218 Mashburn, as noted. There is an article on how to convert the firing pin to the higher pressure cartridge in the NRA Gunsmithing Guide book; converting the rimfire block should work the same way, just needs a larger diameter bushing to move the pin to center.

As noted, the .310 Cadet extractor will work with the the American .32-20 family of ctgs., of which the .218 Mashburn is one.

You will need to rebarrel, of course. The .22 RF barrel is the wrong diameter and twist and probably not of sufficiently tough steel to handle very many .218 Mashburn jacketed bullets at the speed and pressure you will want to achieve. The throat will wash out pronto.

If your .22 Martini is "well used," I'd convert it. If it's cherry, I'd keep it and look for a beat Cadet to convert. Just my opinion.

Martinis are a slick action--German/American/Swiss. Probably the best military single shot, although I'll get some flak from the roller guys for that! (John Browning's single shot would have been just as good, but it came along a little late to catch the military wave....).
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I agree on the advice to evaluate your base rifle. I am on the hunt for a .22 Martini right now for .22 rimfire competition and they are quite desirable by the rimfire crowd.

I too love the looks of that action. I guess I need to do more reading on the centerfire versions.
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I dearly wish that somebody would make a commercial Martini action based on either the old full-sized military actions that were originally for the .577-450, or on the rarer "medium-sized" action that was sometimed made for .303 sporters, mainly in Belgium. They are simple actions, but simply one of the best for hunting use because they are among the strongest and fastest to reload, and it is easy to get a great trigger pull on them.

There is a company that makes the predecessor of the Martini, the Peabody. They are too pricey for me in retirement, but I'm sorely tempted. I suspect if I could actually handle one, I'd find the money somehow. Basically they are a Martini with a sidehammer instead of a striker.
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I dearly wish that somebody would make a commercial Martini action based on either the old full-sized military actions that were originally for the .577-450, or on the rarer "medium-sized" action that was sometimed made for .303 sporters, mainly in Belgium. They are simple actions, but simply one of the best for hunting use because they are among the strongest and fastest to reload, and it is easy to get a great trigger pull on them.

There is a company that makes the predecessor of the Martini, the Peabody. They are too pricey for me in retirement, but I'm sorely tempted. I suspect if I could actually handle one, I'd find the money somehow. Basically they are a Martini with a sidehammer instead of a striker.
The more I look at the Martini, the more I love it. I have been on the hunt for one in .22LR for some target games. Now you guys got me interested in them for centerfire cartridges.

Can you point me in the direction of the Peabody version? Thanks.
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I have 5 martini's from .22 rimfire to 25-30-30 Ackley improved and Have been shooting them for 46 years. My favorite is the .17 Ackley Bee and they are all very accurate. You will not have a problem with the Mashburn.
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I have a Bee and a Mashburn Bee. Afraid they get little use these days. Both with Unertl 10X and reasonably accurate for varmints. Masburn Bee dies are somewhat expensive and older Bee brass tends to split when fire forming. New Bee brass is being mfg.
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Can you point me in the direction of the Peabody version?
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:09 AM
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Anyone have a martini cadet ,or an action that can be used to convert to .218 mashburn bee?

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These fellows occasionally have actions and do excellent work. If you need a barrel installed or firing pin bushed give them a call.
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first,
will the martini model 12 (or 1215) be strong enough to rechamber to .218 Mashburn Bee, and what (or where do I find) info on min. bbl length to achieve max (fps??) for the ,218. want short bbl as possible.
thank you
charlie
I have one in 218 Bee and one in Mashburn Bee. I have not shot them in a few years, but both are accurate and easy on brass with reasonable loads. Unertl scopes and in the 1" range at 100 yards. Both 24 inch bbls. Not for trying to match a 22-250 velocity 3000 ft range at top end.

In ANY CF conversion - the fireing pin hole should be bushed. If converting a RF to CF, the fireing pin will be moved. Going from RF to CF is expensive and using the 310 Cadet is much more practical than a 12 or 12/15.

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