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T-66 .35 Greevy Express finished

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Action: Siamese Mauser, reshaped, trued, lapped, bolt face enlarged, extractor reshaped and bolt handle bent. Combination of work by Sprinter Arms and Ken Davis.

Barrel, chambering and blueing: 24" No.5 by Sprinter Arms

Stock: Elk Ridge Sportster extra fancy walnut blank with ebony tip and cap. Inletted, checkered and finished by Ken Davis.

Trigger: Timney

Reamer: Custom by Dave Manson of Manson Reamers
Manson Reamers

F/L size die: RCBS Custom
Seater die: Forster custom Ultra Micrometer
crimp die: Lee custom Facory crimp

Range report to follow.

Regards

Snow.
 
#5 ·
Maroontoad

Thats a Very nice looking rifle. Can you shed some light on what Vel. you hope to get out it and with what bullet and powder combination. I really love the 35 CAL. stuff, There great power houses and so over looked by so many. I shoot 4 different 35 Cals. right now and I'm looking to add some more to the collection. I shoot the 350 Rem. Mag, 358 Norma Mag, 358 STA, and 2 358/300 Ack Imp.. Look foreward to seeing the results of your work.

Hoeram :D
 
#6 · (Edited)
Maroontoad

Thats a Very nice looking rifle. Can you shed some light on what Vel. you hope to get out it and with what bullet and powder combination. I really love the 35 CAL. stuff, There great power houses and so over looked by so many. I shoot 4 different 35 Cals. right now and I'm looking to add some more to the collection. I shoot the 350 Rem. Mag, 358 Norma Mag, 358 STA, and 2 358/300 Ack Imp.. Look foreward to seeing the results of your work.

Hoeram :D
Hi Hoeram,

I took the rifle to the range today and did a quick test of some loads A single chronographed bullet acheived 2765 fps with a 200 gr Remington core-Lokt round nose. The primer was still pretty round, so it could possibly make 2800 fps. This puts it firmly in the .35 Whelen class. This was an accurate load, consisting of 56.0 gr of Benchmark and a OAL of 2.75". Three round groups averaged .82", with the best being exactly .7" @ 100m (110 yds). That would be around minute of angle for a five round group.

Hopefully, I can get some time on my own at the range next weekend to do some more formal testing with a micrometer.

Cheers
 
#7 ·
maroontoad,
Awesome looking rifle ... who was the 'smith?? I've been wondering how your project was going being another 35cal 'loonie'. I've just had Manson do a reamer drawing of a 358CRG which should get about the same speeds (maybe a little more) but from a short action, plus I'm about to start building (finally!!) my long awaited 303/35.

Tell me ... does the Sprinter barrel have concave lands?? His bores can be rough, but **** they can shoot! Did you go a 1:16" or 1:14" barrel?
Cheers...
Con
 
#8 ·
G'day Con,

The Smith's were Keith Bridgeman and Ken Davis. I first built this project on a Marlin XLR also by Keith Bridgeman and that shot better than the parent .45-70. I haven't had a problem with fouling or leading from either, so I'm a fan. The Twist is 1 in 13, which is his fastest.

Mate I'm still very keen on your 303/35 project. I know how long these things take, please keep me informed:D

Regards

Snow.
 
#9 ·
Snow,
Your not wrong on the Sprinter barrels ... I know of a few now that despite looking rough internally are just fantastic for accuracy ... not match-grade but then they're not 'match-priced'.

I'll let you know once the 303/35 is up and running, just waiting on quotes from a local guy to assemble them. Barrels will be Sprinter, actions will be No4 Mk1s ... I might get two built if I can find another beat-up No4 action. Speaking with another member from the Australian Hunting forum on the weekend and he's keen to do the 303/35 on a Contender.
Cheers...
Con
 
#14 · (Edited)
G'day Scott,

The express component of the cartridge refers to the fact that you can only shoot short and therefore light bullets from this case in a Marlin action. This is because of the case length and the OAL restriction imposed by the action. That is why I moved the project to a Siamese Mauser.

Since you will need a custom reamer and custom dies for any project, may I suggest simply necking up the .338 Marlin case to .35 cal. I have modelled the case and can see real advantages in regard to bullet weight over the .35 Greevy Express. It should comfortably feed bullets up to 250 grains where the Marlin based Greevy is restricted to 200's.

My reamer was made by Dave at Manson Precision Reamers and my dies by RCBS custom. I have since made a .375 Wildcat on the .45-70 case and Dave at CH4D did a great job on those dies straight from Dave Manson's reamer drawing.

Good luck, regards

Snow.
 
#15 ·
Snow,
I looked at the .35 caliber 338 Marlin when we discussed it. I brought the neck diameter out to .3880”. I also brought the shoulder forward to 1.4794” to bring the shoulder back to 25 degrees.
This gave me an estimated total water capacity of 63.4 grains.
If we seat a cast bullet .360” we have the base of the bullet below the neck but I believe the mouth of the gas check is still in the neck.
This leaves us with enough room for 46.4 grains of IMR 4064, 38.0 grains of Hodgdon 4895, or 47.0 grains of Alliant Reloder 10X.
The only thing to consider at this point is the pressure restrictions imposed by the Marlin 336 action.
I am not certain how these drawings will look when reduced for posting but here is a try at it. I keep telling myself I font need a 338 ME, I don’t need a 338 ME….
 

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#16 ·
Very nice Slim,

I rate the Marlin with that case head size and subsequent bolt thrust to the same as a .444 in a square threaded receiver. Where as the .45-70 case reduces to about 40,000 CUP. (My opinions only) The Vee thread of the .338 Marlins will offer a bit more strength but I personally would keep that up my sleeve and treat it as a .444.

Using a simple necked up .338ME, we have .720" of bullet room available outside the case against .435" available for the Greevy. That is substantial. For a gas checked bullet with the check seated to the base of the neck, the Greevy will feed a bullet to .705" long (around 165 grains), where the .35-338ME will feed a bullet to 1.008" long (around 250 grains). The Greevy is safe to 40,000 and the .35-338 safe to 44,000 (again my opinion only). However, the Greevy has a water capacity after bullet seating of 65.04 where the .35-338 only 53.7. This makes them hard to compare with lead.

Chronographed testing of jacketed 250 grain Hawk bullets loaded deep and single loaded in my original Marlin based Greevy produced a measly 2108 fps from a 24" barrel. My modelling suggests that the .35-338 could safely achieve an extra 50 fps with the same bullet and use 5 grains less of powder. A much more flexible wildcat for that platform.

For a comparison, my .356 also gets 2160fps with the 250 @ 2 grains less the modelled cartridge. Where with the .358 BLR custom gains another 100fps because there is less restriction on length, although it uses another 5 grains of powder to get it.

My conclusion: The .356 Winchester is the most efficient of these .35 calibres. For the Marlin action, unless you can find a 336ER, the .35-338ME is the next best choice and the .35 Greevy is too hard to work with.

Anybody's question may be, is it worth the time, effort and expense to change a perfectly adequate .338 Marlin into anything else.

Regards

Snow.
 
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.35 Greevy express dies

I am trying to find .35 Greevy Express dies.
I lost mine in a flood a few years ago.
I sent my dimensions to RCBS to see if they had dies and they said their dimensions were a little different from mine so would not make dies.
Would you be kind enough to send your dimensions or help me find dies.
I developed the .35 GE back in the '70's and still have my gun. Now at 70 years old I would like to shoot it again.
Les Greevy
 
#22 ·
Gordian Knot

Mr. Greevy,

Maybe you should merely cut the Gordian Knot, here. Hornady and others have cannibalized their custom desks and CNC machinery, to play catch up with their back orders. Hornady is 25 weeks behind and isn't taking custom orders, right now, anyway.

You didn't say just what action you have. If possible, I'd suggest you just have it re-barreled to whatever the commercial parent cartridge is. If you want to do it again as the Greevy Express, then you are going down the same path as I am right now. I've ordered a 6mm x 300 RCM finish reamer and GO head space gauge from PT&G. They are eight weeks or so, out. I still have to make some bulged out cases from 40 fired 6.5 Rem Mag ones I bought in a bag. With my reamer print and fired samples, I may be able to order real custom dies, by next Spring. I also ordered a .306 dia. bored through die blank from PT&G. I'll put an oversized .308 pilot, and make this into an intermediate forming die.

It's going to take a home brewed reamer to do a sizing die, made from one of these PT&G blanks with the proper 6mm diameter hole bored through it. This one will take a .284 caliber pilot, polished down a bit.

You already have the rifle with a finished chamber. You might think of making a single blade D form reamer, for a seating die. Then, just kissing it with a grind stone in a fixture, will take the three or four thousandths off the hole it reams. This is where you can get the two dimensions for the seater and the sizer. Its really slow, but its doable for an amateur. I was warned to leave four or five thousandths over my finish dimensions in the blank which I took out of my lathe, to deal with the inevitable warping, in the quench.

The PT&G die blanks come in about every bore size and are made from 4140. You can use them as is, have them carburized, or even given an industrial hard chrome plating. Just remember that their .270 caliber hole, is actually a .306" hole, to allow for the case neck. So ordering a $1, 270 cal. Pilot from them, won't work here. You have to work over a .308 Pilot to center your reamer in their 270 cal. die blank. Counter intuitive, to be sure, but I hashed this out over the phone with the person responsible for making my finish reamer, there. Reamer pilots and the bores, reamed in die blanks are apples and oranges.
 
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Thank you fellows. You just cleared up a thought for me I was thinking on a 350 rem mag with the neck pushed back to form a 40 degree shoulder and leave the neck full length so no one could drop a true 350 rem mag in the chamber all this in a 444 marlin Frame action stretched to 2.775. .bolt face is very close a little of the cartridge rim and of course barrel caliber of your choice there ya go ...my 35-300 i.l.g. is I believe max for the 336 action is at 2.753 gives 2200fps. With a 250gr. Speer hot core