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Old 07-13-2009, 07:54 AM
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Hi Guys First post on here, but longtime reader. I really enjoy this forum because everyone seems very knowledgeable for the topics they post and respond too. Unlike some other forums I have been too.

Anyways I am looking to get a new rifle. I want it to be a .35 caliber. The calibers I am considering are the .358 STA, .35-.300 Win Mag, and .35-.300 WSM (Sambar). I am currently weighing the cost options. I could build the .35-.300 Win Mag and .35-.300 WSM for a lower cost than building a .358 STA. I would be able to buy either a .300 Win Mag or .300 WSM and just have it rebarreled. Where I would have to have more work done to be able to build a .358 STA.

So my question is I am looking for some people with experience in any of these three rounds and could give me some feedback and possibly some ballistics. I have been having a hard time finding ballistics for the .35-.300 Win Mag and .35-.300 WSM.

Any feedback or advice is greatly appreciated.

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Old 07-13-2009, 11:12 AM
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Search this forum for more threads on this topic. We've covered this ground extensively. I'm still in the planning stages of converting one of my rifles to 35 Sambar or 358 Norma Mag. However, the 375 Ruger would make another excellent base for a 35 wildcat.

The 35-300 win mag is close to a 358 norma mag, and you can find data for that cartridge around.

Barrel, magazine and bolt head...those are the elements that miight need modifying.
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Old 07-13-2009, 11:44 AM
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The .358 STA is just a necked up 8mm Remington Magnum, so find a long action Remington 700 with a magnum bolt and replace the barrel. Finding a sound 700 in 7mm Remington Magnum or .300 Winchester Magnum shouldn't be hard.

None of these wildcats have very much over the .358 Norma Magnum and you'll save a fair bit of change by using it.

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Old 07-13-2009, 03:14 PM
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Were it me, I'd do either a .358 STA or a .35/.300 RUM. Of course I do have big magnums on the brain.
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Old 07-13-2009, 03:18 PM
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I've always like the idea of a 35/284 Win. But thinking about it, I also like leverite's suggestion of a 35/375 Ruger!
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Well I shoot the 35 cal. more than any other cal. I have. I shoot a 358 STA, 2 358/300 Ultra mag IMP.,358 Norma,358 Winchester and a 350 Remington Mag. I will say that out of all of them the STA is my #1 choice and a true power house. It will do everthing a 375 H&H or 375 Ruger will do and flat puts them on the ground. It's fast, flat shooting and you can build it on a 700 action no problem. All of my 35's are Remington 700 actions except the 358 Norma and it's a Sako. Build the STA you'll never be sorry.
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Old 07-14-2009, 04:30 AM
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35 Sambar

Have no experience with the cartridge, but Cartridges Of The World has a very little bit of info on the 35 Sambar using 200-250 gr. bullets and H4350 and Varget powders.

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Old 07-14-2009, 02:53 PM
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.35 Wildcat Options

He is a another vote for the 358STA.
Been the 358 Win,35 Whelan(all variations,350 Remington,35 Newton, 358 Norma. They all do the job within the parameters of each Cartridge.

I currently have and use the 358STA for one reason. ANYTHING hit with the 225grain Accubond from 0-650 yards is down and is down for good. Flat shooting and hits harder than a 375 H&H and I too have it on an 06 length 700 Remington that was re-barrel from a 300 Win Mag.

The 35 Newton and its belted brother the 358 Norma will do anything as well. Not with the authority of the 358STA.

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wonder if the 358 STA would fit in a stnd large ring Mauser action? This I could check for myself, but am not near any loading manuals right now, so if any of you know, would appreciate hearing.

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Old 07-14-2009, 06:27 PM
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My Remington BDL has a magazine that measures 3.725

My VZ 24 has a usable magazine of 3.200 roughly. Yes it can be made to fit without much effort.

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Old 07-20-2009, 08:40 AM
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I like the .375 Ruger idea as well. I wanted to build a .30 caliber off of it, but never got around to it.

a .358 Ruger would push a 225gr Ballistic Tip upwards of 2900fps out of a 20" barrel.
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Old 07-30-2009, 03:56 AM
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A friend of mine has built a 35Sambar. It'll be within 50-80fps of the 358Norma. A real surprise package in a very compact rifle. In my opinion ... the really big 35's come into play at distances that are beyond the average rifleman. Because of that belief, I reckon the smaller 35's are a better compromise and will do 95% of the work required. But for some reason ... I still want to rebarrel my 8mmRemMag to 358STA one day so it can join my 358Win, 350RemMag and 35Whelen.
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:37 AM
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How about a 35 cal. wildcat on the .425 Westley Richards Mag. case ? I believe it can be used in a standard length action and uses a standard-size bolt face as well. I always wondered why the newer "short mag." cartridges didn't use this case. Good luck........HD1
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That tiny rim behind the fat case of the .425 Westley Richards Magnum makes feeding somewhat tricky. I've a picture of an original Westley Richards rifle that had a pair of fingers that hold the cartridge up high enough for the bolt, but kept it from flying out of the magazine. The fingers were about an inch ahead of the rim.

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Old 07-30-2009, 10:13 AM
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I believe a .358 Ultra Mag would exceed the .35 STA. That'd be muh choice. I suppose. But a .358-378 Weatherby built on a Mark V action would be a beast !


.358-378 Wby - 225gr Ballistic Tip can be pushed to around 3300fps with a 26" barrel. These are Quickload numbers too ofcourse.
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He is a another vote for the 358STA.
Been the 358 Win,35 Whelan(all variations,350 Remington,35 Newton, 358 Norma. They all do the job within the parameters of each Cartridge.

I currently have and use the 358STA for one reason. ANYTHING hit with the 225grain Accubond from 0-650 yards is down and is down for good. Flat shooting and hits harder than a 375 H&H and I too have it on an 06 length 700 Remington that was re-barrel from a 300 Win Mag.

The 35 Newton and its belted brother the 358 Norma will do anything as well. Not with the authority of the 358STA.

Neal

So one really has to ask, is the 358STA REALLY worth all the hassle when one considers forming cases and all the rest of it to gain what, 50 fps with any given bullet weight and 8 foot lbs. of power?
I'd stick with the 358 Norma Mag. and enjoy my extra time shooting it rather than hoping to get ready to shoot.

I realize it is only my opinion but show me any new cartridge of 7 mm caliber or larger that has been developed over the last 20 years and I'll show you at least one that is just as good and has been around for 40 years or more. What we need is more marksmen that know how to use a good rifle, not more calibers.

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Old 09-12-2009, 07:04 PM
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Newton, while that is true. New things keep the market going. A lot of people found the .325 WSM useless. I found it a delight to shoot, and had plenty of power for almost anything that walks.


But look at my signature, and my cartridge choices. .338 Win Mag 1958, .300 Win Mag 1968, 7mm Rem Mag 1962, and I actually dont remember when the .22-250 came in.
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Either the 358STA or the 358 Norma. Have both but the Norma is a little easier to shoot. Best of luck Jim
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But if you want a real thumper of a .35, use the Remington Ultra Mag case.

You could push a 225gr .358 bullet to 3100+


But I do believe I still need a .264 Win Mag, .358 Norma and a .458 Win Mag to complete my collection of commercial cartridges based on the same case.
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Old 09-14-2009, 09:08 AM
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Getting bigger and bigger doesn't always mean getting better. Once you get way up in the velocity per caliber you start overdriving the bullets...cup and core bullets just blow apart, solid types just blow right through the game and over into the next county, negating whatever you are trying to achieve. Velocity is great for varmints but not necessarily good for game animals you want to eat or hang on your wall.

I would much rather have a larger caliber so I can get heavier bullets.

A 35 cal Rigby/Lapua/RUM/Weatherby etc is all well and good for whiskey talk around the campfire, but a 45 or 50 cal using the same cases would work a hellofalot better on the larger game and the 35 STA is about the max case size I would consider for the largest N.A. game and even then the 35 Whelen will take care of everything including Brownies and Moose.

Heck...if you are really good at stalking, a 22 LR in the ear or eye will take down the largest beasty...been there, done that.

Letting the mind go to flights of fancy is part and parcel of new technology and new things and I wouldn't have it any other way...whether I agree or disagree on minor points.

I've built some strange things way in the past and I still do it today...

Now...if we could figure out how NOT to use these new things AGAINST ourselves, we would REALLY be doing something great.
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