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Old 02-13-2010, 07:12 AM
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Sitting here and thinking of all the new rifles that I want and the thought of a 338-06 has come to mind. My personal preference is tword the 30 cals. .308, .30-06, and .300 WM. A few months ago I was looking for another 30 cal. The suggestion of a 300RUM came up. Thought about it and decided to pass, sorry TANG.

Looking around @ the re-loading bench the other day I noticed I have a ton of 06 cases. So a thought crossed my mind 338-06. I like my T/C Pro hunter and would have to get a barrel from a custom shop, Match Grade Machine is who I am looking at.

Seeing a custom barrel is needed, should I then go w/ 338-06 or 338-06 AI?

What are your guys thoughts/experience with this paticular round?

What are the loads you are using?

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Wazz,
I have a 338-06 built on a Mauser VZ.24 action, Adams & Bennet barrel, 3-position (PME?) safety, Fajen walnut stock. I like it a lot. Took one cow elk with it to-date.

I use 215 gr Sierra SBT w/ 59.0 gr IMR 4350, CCI 200.

You might want to do a search in the Wildcat Cartridges forum for the 338-06 as its been discussed many times there (even though Wby did offer factory loading at one time).

AI? Guess I have a soft spot for the std '06 case so the AI's don't really blow my dress up, but this is your rifle! Good luck.
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Shane,

At one time, I was just absolutely POSITIVE that I had to have an 8mm-06. I needed to buy an old 98K and have a good 'smith turn it into a wildcat and then I'd really BE something!

Come to find out, there aren't many 8mm bullets made, so your idea of a 338-06 makes more sense, but then again, someone went and standardized the 35 Whelen...which pretty much put an end to all of this silliness. At least, for my gun safe, it did. The 35 caliber bullets out there are ideal for the handloader and a 35 Whelen because there are pistol-bullets, 35 Remington bullets and 350 Rem Mag. bullets. That covers a broad spectrum and really gives you a lot more to play with, than the 338 diameter.

Still, I understand the affliction known as "wildcatitus"...as I suffer greatly from it. I have a 30 Herrett, 6.5JDJ, 358GNR and handload for 7.7Jap and 7-30 Waters, which are difficult to get factory ammo for. What can I say...I like to be different.

So, if you want a 338/06 or ...AI, go for it! Only thing stopping you is $$ and that's just paper, til ya spend it! Only thing is, if you get one, you have to tell us all about it, so we can do a little vicarious living, ok?
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Old 02-13-2010, 08:55 AM
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338-06

I guess it really boils down to what your intend use for the tool is. For me it has always been for the best,economical,most efficient light weight daily hunting tool. SO everything I have done for the past 35 years in the wildcat arena has been towqards the unltimate. Well kind of, wildcatitis is very real and I was told a number of times that it was engineered into me by my creator.

For the past five years though its been ever simgle 338 cartridge made and some that were not made. 338 X06 is an excellant cartridge that ups the antie noticably over the standrad 06. A.I. I found wasn't worth the effort for the small gain. 338 Gibbs and similer cartridge is however a large gain and well worth the effort if one uses quality brass.

I currently hunt with either a 338WSM Improved or a 338 Edge both in ultra-light handguns. My wife hunts with a 338WSM and her scoped handgun weighs 6.2 pounds.

Have fun in your search.

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Old 02-13-2010, 11:38 AM
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Dont appoligize to me. The .338-06 is a decent performer. If it were me, I'd take the .338 Federal though.

24" .338-06 per Nosler 6th Edition
225gr Partition or Accubond
H414 60gr Max for 2595 fps

24" .338 Win Mag
225gr Partiton or Accubond
IMR4350 71.5gr Max for 2882 fps

24" .338 Federal
225gr Partiton or Accubond
Varget 44gr Max for 2424 fps

As I said, if I didnt want the .338 Win Mag, I'd by far take the .338 Federal. But you did say you have -06 cases already. So go for it, enjoy, and let us know how it turns out. You can probably AI it and get another 100fps. But a 225gr Partition at 2600 fps is more than needed for NA. Keep in mind, my hunting load for my .338 Win Mag is a 225gr Accubond running at 2665 fps. See where I'm going with this ?
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i have an fn mauser that is barreled to the 338/06AI and i absolutely love it. whethter the AI is any better than the std. is up to the induvidual... i do the AI for reasons other than just velocity. either way it's a winner!
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Shane,

At one time, I was just absolutely POSITIVE that I had to have an 8mm-06. I needed to buy an old 98K and have a good 'smith turn it into a wildcat and then I'd really BE something!
Was in the exact same place as Broom. Was going to do either a 8mm-06 in std or Ackley. Decided to go the 338-06AI route and haven't looked back!
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I don't think the 338-06 is a 'wildcat' anymore. A-Square got a standard for it. I know you can get factory loads: http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Brow...g=653***690***
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.338-06 is even available in a Mk V Weatherby
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I own a .338/06, nice caliber. I also own a .338 Fed, .358 Win, .350 Rem mag and .35 Whelen. The Whelen is the best of the bunch, IMO. Again, nuthin' wrong with the .338/06, but with loads for the Whelen that give you nearly 2900 FPS with a 200gr .358 bullet (2874), I don't see much the .338 does better. I don't shoot the lighter bullets, like 180s in any of mine, however. I prefer a .308 or (edited for content) .323 sized bullet for that weight. But if that lighter weight, high velocity type load is what you're looking for, then the .338 will certainly work better.

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I don't think the 338-06 is a 'wildcat' anymore. A-Square got a standard for it. I know you can get factory loads: http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Brow...g=653***690***
I have a slightly different definition of "factory loads": Need to be able to buy at the local Amoco.
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Old 02-23-2010, 05:09 PM
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I to have a 338-06 built on a VZ 24 Action, i have built quite a few Rifles, this one is one of my favorites, George.
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I own a pre-64 M70 Winchester rechmabered from an '06 to .338-06. Great gun that I've taken cow and bull elk and moose with it using 210 Nosler Partitions. Easy to load and very efficient!
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Old 03-11-2010, 02:43 PM
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Sitting here and thinking of all the new rifles that I want and the thought of a 338-06 has come to mind. My personal preference is tword the 30 cals. .308, .30-06, and .300 WM. A few months ago I was looking for another 30 cal. The suggestion of a 300RUM came up. Thought about it and decided to pass, sorry TANG.

Looking around @ the re-loading bench the other day I noticed I have a ton of 06 cases. So a thought crossed my mind 338-06. I like my T/C Pro hunter and would have to get a barrel from a custom shop, Match Grade Machine is who I am looking at.

Seeing a custom barrel is needed, should I then go w/ 338-06 or 338-06 AI?

What are your guys thoughts/experience with this paticular round?

What are the loads you are using?

Thanks
Shane
Shane,

I love your idea of building a new rifle to use up a big stash of old '06 cases!!!


To your question of caliper:

My GS has a thing for the 8mm-06 AI. He says you'll only need one bullet - The 200 gr Nosler Partition.

Now, I, wanting to be different, when with the 9,3x62 Mauser. But, find I only need one bullet - the 286 gr NPT!
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I own a .338/06, nice caliber. I also own a .338 Fed, .358 Win, .350 Rem mag and .35 Whelen. The Whelen is the best of the bunch, IMO. .
I'm pretty sure that when it comes to bigger being better, and the balance of recoil, power, and gun weight, the Whelen is one of the best. My CDL weighs less than my M77 MKII .243, by a lb, and is even more accurate. But if you need a "wildcat", you could just go with a .358-06
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I too dreamed of having a 338-06 one day and ran across a beautiful Rem 700 classic in 8mm Mauser. I called my gun smith and told him I wanted to turn it into the 338-06 and wanted to load a 200 grain bullet and have it for my medium game gun. He would not let me fufill my dream! He said the 8mm mauser is too close balistically to the 338-06 to make the cost worth it. It turns out I am right at the 2600fps mark with a 200 gr Speer hot cor or Partition and just over 2500 with Acubonds (they rob a little more case capacity). All he ended up doing was bedding the action, free float the barrel and a trigger job. Far cheaper than the rebarrel and all the other work which would have only gained me 100 fps or so.
I also have a CZ 550 in 9.3x62mm. My pet load for it is a 270 speer at 2532 fps. It is possible to load 250's arround 2600 or a bit more.
If I had to choose one it would be the 9.3. It can do every thing the 8mm and 338-06 can and more, all in the same size action.
Have fun picking a caliber and let us know how it goes.
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My 338-06AI drops 200 Speers on top of each other. Fun round to shoot, too.
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Old 03-18-2010, 02:12 AM
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I too dreamed of having a 338-06 one day and ran across a beautiful Rem 700 classic in 8mm Mauser. I called my gun smith and told him I wanted to turn it into the 338-06 and wanted to load a 200 grain bullet and have it for my medium game gun. He would not let me fufill my dream! He said the 8mm mauser is too close balistically to the 338-06 to make the cost worth it. It turns out I am right at the 2600fps mark with a 200 gr Speer hot cor or Partition and just over 2500 with Acubonds (they rob a little more case capacity). All he ended up doing was bedding the action, free float the barrel and a trigger job. Far cheaper than the rebarrel and all the other work which would have only gained me 100 fps or so.
Yeah, if you start with a limited run M700 in 8mm Mauser and absolutely must improve it, the simple, cost-effective thing to do would be the 8mm-06 option. The .015" difference between 8mm and .338 isn't going to net you much difference, but the longer, more readily available '06 brass might actually be worth it...probably not, though.
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I traded for a custom .338-06 in Texas around 1998. I'm VERY happy with it. I have only used it for punching paper. I'm not sure of my starting load but, .75 inch was a large group. I think that load was a nosler 200 grain bt and 55 to 57 grains of IMR4350. Since I'm not sure of the load, I DON'T recommend it. If you use it, do so at YOUR own risk. I never hunted with the rifle because of the weight. It weighed about 9 pounds with scope. I figure to give it to one of my nephews in my will.
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Sitting here and thinking of all the new rifles that I want and the thought of a 338-06 has come to mind. My personal preference is tword the 30 cals. .308, .30-06, and .300 WM. A few months ago I was looking for another 30 cal. The suggestion of a 300RUM came up. Thought about it and decided to pass, sorry TANG.

Looking around @ the re-loading bench the other day I noticed I have a ton of 06 cases. So a thought crossed my mind 338-06. I like my T/C Pro hunter and would have to get a barrel from a custom shop, Match Grade Machine is who I am looking at.

Seeing a custom barrel is needed, should I then go w/ 338-06 or 338-06 AI?

What are your guys thoughts/experience with this paticular round?

What are the loads you are using?

Thanks
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I think that would be a good choice for the T/C. Personally, I always wanted to play around with the 30-06 case. I would like a light .375: it seem interesting to go along the lines of Hawk and Scovill, where they used a 9.33x62 reamer through into the chamber and blow out the case to hold more powder. This pushed a 250-grain closer to what one expects form a .338 Winchester magnum, yet it is a .375 and legal on heavy species in Africa.

The is information on the web for this.

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