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Old 04-24-2010, 11:54 AM
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I figured out how to recreate Weatherby cartridges, in standard 30-06 length actions.

Using the .375 Ruger case.

.260 Mikey
140gr Accubond 3200-3225 fps out of a 24" barrel

.284 Beretz
160gr Accubond 3250-3300 with a 26" barrel

.308 Tang
180gr Accubond 3125 fps with a 24" barrel
180gr Accubond 3150-3200 fps with a 26" barrel
210gr VLD 2975-3000

.338 Campfire (creator Rick Bin)
250gr Partition 2850-2900 with a 24" Barrel

.323 Faucett
220gr Gameking 3050-3100 with a 26" barrel

.358 Beartracker
225gr Ballistic Tip 3025-3050fps with a 24" barrel

.365 Redundant
286gr Partition 2775-2800 fps from a 26" barrel

I realize a .458 is not possible due to no shoulder, nor a belt to headspace on.


If I can find a competent gun smith to do the work, Im going to have this done to every one of my rifles, starting with the .300 Win Mag. So what do you guys think ?
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:20 PM
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I would take that 284 Beretz and 358 Beartracker! Those two would be pretty awesome. I have wanted a big 35! That would do it for me. That 284 is pretty quick, more like a 7RUM than a WBY. Seems like Ruger would have capitalized on their great case with some of these. I guess there is already a flood of good chamberings. Very cool though Tang. I am honored you thought of me! Scotty
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I'm working parallel paths, but have you done all of these yet?

Hello Tang,
I've posted a bit on my 8mm Ruger wildcat, but everyone to whom I've described this to, gets a real surprise when they get a fired case, or a photo, in their hands. It looks from the paper ballistics, that you are keeping the magnumized profile of the 375 Ruger. That's neat, but I went the other way and according to one gentleman in Germany, I have discovered the child of the marriage between the 8 x 68S Schuler, and the new Ruger 375. An americanized Schuler is about what I am trying to do, too.
If you really are marrying the Weatherby's profile to the Ruger's Brass, then you should have designed some reasonably long necks, ahead of the double radii. Can you give us your design's neck lengths? On my 8mm wildcat, I designed in a .374" long neck, so a Schuler couldn't be accidentally chambered in it.
Mine is in the orig. Ruger's 66mm length. I figure that in the 2.5", .375 variant I'm plotting now, I'll have ten less grains of water to the case mouth, than it's 375 Ruger parent. How do your Weatherby profiles deal with this, and how do you keep someone from inserting a Weatherby short mag.? I won't know my exact working capacities until August when I receive my store bought forming -reloading die set from Hornady. As for now, I'm using cases adapted from virgin 375H&H brass, and they only hold 87.4grs. of water to their mouths. So now I am really impressed with your velocities.
As for the elusive 45 cal. Ruger, the jury's still out. My first forming step is supposed to just start tapering the Ruger Basic, and iron in a 36 deg. shoulder, something like an over grown 400 Brown Whelen. It'll take a new reamer, a new datum point (headspace go gauge), and I'm forming a long neck, that may have to be trimmed back, so a 458 Win. Mag. won't chamber. So a 2.6" case, trimmed back to 2.5", minus .030-.050", will still leave a neck between 0.470" and 0.450". I'd rather have the long neck, for cast lead bullets, but leaving the case, right at 2.5 inches, minus another 0.040", it'll still be one full caliber long, and then the 458 Win mag, couldn't be accidentally chambered, either.
I wouldn't even think of blowing out a std. belted case, or a Ruger 416, on this one. If it even works, it can really only be formed directly from the Ruger Basic case.
Of course, I understand that something way out on the edge like this .450 :: .400 KBW, will always be just a wildcat proposition. So thanx again Tang, for running your whole Ruger widcat pride's numbers, for the forum.
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Old 05-18-2010, 10:40 PM
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Hello Tang,
I've posted a bit on my 8mm Ruger wildcat, but everyone to whom I've described this to, gets a real surprise when they get a fired case, or a photo, in their hands. It looks from the paper ballistics, that you are keeping the magnumized profile of the 375 Ruger. That's neat, but I went the other way and according to one gentleman in Germany, I have discovered the child of the marriage between the 8 x 68S Schuler, and the new Ruger 375. An americanized Schuler is about what I am trying to do, too.
If you really are marrying the Weatherby's profile to the Ruger's Brass, then you should have designed some reasonably long necks, ahead of the double radii. Can you give us your design's neck lengths? On my 8mm wildcat, I designed in a .374" long neck, so a Schuler couldn't be accidentally chambered in it.
Mine is in the orig. Ruger's 66mm length. I figure that in the 2.5", .375 variant I'm plotting now, I'll have ten less grains of water to the case mouth, than it's 375 Ruger parent. How do your Weatherby profiles deal with this, and how do you keep someone from inserting a Weatherby short mag.? I won't know my exact working capacities until August when I receive my store bought forming -reloading die set from Hornady. As for now, I'm using cases adapted from virgin 375H&H brass, and they only hold 87.4grs. of water to their mouths. So now I am really impressed with your velocities.
As for the elusive 45 cal. Ruger, the jury's still out. My first forming step is supposed to just start tapering the Ruger Basic, and iron in a 36 deg. shoulder, something like an over grown 400 Brown Whelen. It'll take a new reamer, a new datum point (headspace go gauge), and I'm forming a long neck, that may have to be trimmed back, so a 458 Win. Mag. won't chamber. So a 2.6" case, trimmed back to 2.5", minus .030-.050", will still leave a neck between 0.470" and 0.450". I'd rather have the long neck, for cast lead bullets, but leaving the case, right at 2.5 inches, minus another 0.040", it'll still be one full caliber long, and then the 458 Win mag, couldn't be accidentally chambered, either.
I wouldn't even think of blowing out a std. belted case, or a Ruger 416, on this one. If it even works, it can really only be formed directly from the Ruger Basic case.
Of course, I understand that something way out on the edge like this .450 :: .400 KBW, will always be just a wildcat proposition. So thanx again Tang, for running your whole Ruger widcat pride's numbers, for the forum.

carpooler, sorry I didnt reply sooner. I didnt get an email about the reply. I would like to buy one of your 8mm cartridges. Would look good in my collection.
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Now that I am old and therefore somewhat negative I see no benfit in so called wildcat cartridges. Now I don't mind reading about what you propose however I don't want another one.

I designed my own once, reamer and all. I have so called improved chambers and some obsolete as well.

No thanks as they are just extra work. Some standard cartridge will do about the same thing and there is a lot of overlap in the effect of what various bullets do from any particular standard cartridge.

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Now that I am old and therefore somewhat negative I see no benfit in so called wildcat cartridges. Now I don't mind reading about what you propose however I don't want another one.

I designed my own once, reamer and all. I have so called improved chambers and some obsolete as well.

No thanks as they are just extra work. Some standard cartridge will do about the same thing and there is a lot of overlap in the effect of what various bullets do from any particular standard cartridge.

Have fun.
I am not yet old, nor am I young. I have been reloading for over 20 years and hunting for nearly 30, so I guess I might be somewhere in-between young and old.

However, I have not yet reached an age, or a mindset, where I would abandon the notion, the American institution...of being an individual. More than doing something better than another, wildcat cartridges are "different". They ask more of the reloader/shooter than the chamberings you can buy off-the-shelf. They are, for lack of a better term, "interesting". They are certainly extra work, but another decidedly American trait is being industrious.

Now, once a projectile leaves the barrel, it matters not a whit whether it came from a 30/30 or a 30 Herrett...all that counts is the bullet design and velocity. Oh, but to the SHOOTER...the difference is very real, my friend. I'll make you a deal: I won't pooh-pooh your decision to be stodgy, and you do the same for my choice to pursue and enjoy wildcat cartridges. OK?
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Old 05-19-2010, 10:28 AM
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Wildcats are meant to be fun. Trying new things. If it wasn't for wildcats, we wouldn't have workhorses like the .338-378 Wby or .35 Whelen just for a quick example. It's not about being better than what is out there entirely, it's about challenging one's self to see what you can come up with I think I love trying to come up with Wildcats, drawing them out, and testing them with "guess" software.
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I also like the 35 caliber rifles. I also have a custom made 350 Griffen & Howe that is a awesome cartridge. Reloading data does not hardly exist but that can be worked around. It would definatily fit your big 35 caliber.
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Heck yeah, that is an old powerhouse. I would like to see a few pictures of that rifle and the round compared to the Whelen. It sounds like an awesome rifle. I am jealous, that would be a classic BIG game combo. Scotty
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