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Old 06-03-2010, 03:41 PM
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This cartridge is showing up on the ground more and more, and I'm wondering if anyone has bothered to try a .17 X 25 or a .204 X 25?

It seems like a neat opportunity to get rimfire performance from a reloadable shell.

Anyone aware of such a project?
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I think the problem could be the cost of reloading vers. the cost of rimfire shells. If your looking for rimfire performance the cost of components may be too much. But a 17, or 204 wildcat is a different story. Yes I pickup those little cases to maybe some day I'll find a use for them. Would make a nice single shot.
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Lost all those great old refernce works, so only have memory to go on.

Yes, folks have fooled around with 22's on pistol cases. Smallest I really remember (and Corbin was envolved in the testing one way or another) was the .22 Flea, which was a .22/32acp. Article had a browning 1922 as the test bed (believe a contender barrel was chambered first for testing, the Semi-auto was the real world example). As memory serves 1500-1700fps/35-40gr. bullets.

(Am reasonably sure a .22/25ACP has been done, but exact memory escapes me).

Know there was a .22/30Luger and a .22/30Mauser that had been tried by various folks in the old days (...22/30 Lowenstien Luger?).

In a rifle length barrel, would expect the .22/30 Mauser (or .22/30Tok) to come a lot closer to the .22Hornet.
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Old 06-04-2010, 03:54 AM
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I still think if "they" wish to convert a wildcat load into a factory load, the .17 Hornet or .14 Hornet would be the way to go.
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Old 06-04-2010, 11:35 AM
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I still think if "they" wish to convert a wildcat load into a factory load, the .17 Hornet or .14 Hornet would be the way to go.
The down side to the Hornet is the fragile case, but I'd love to see a .17 K-Hornet standardized.

But the 5.7 X 25 case just looks so cool.
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5.7x25mm...you mean the .22 Reed Express? http://www.reedsammo.com/Page.html
or are you referring to the 5.7x28 FN?
The Soviet 5.45x18 would be close to a .22/25 ACP; if not a little hotter. A slightly modified Ruger .22 semi-auto or Chiappa's 1911-22 would be great for that.
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Old 06-05-2010, 04:18 AM
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The down side to the Hornet is the fragile case, but I'd love to see a .17 K-Hornet standardized.

But the 5.7 X 25 case just looks so cool.
How about the .17-30 U.S. carbine cartridge becomming a factory load? It's case is stronger than the Hornet's.
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Old 06-05-2010, 07:59 AM
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are you referring to the 5.7x28 FN?
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That's the one! I'm thinking 4.5 X 28 Ruger Express, or .17 X 28 Hornady Micro on the Ruger Rimfire actions.

But the .17 X 30 carbine could work too.
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Why not go the other way with a 25 cal. could equal the 25-20 thats been discontinued.

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Why not go the other wat with a 25 cal. could equal the 25-20 thats been discontinued.
You can neck-up the .22 K-Hornet to .257" (.25 Cal.) called the .25 K-Hornet which would duplicate the .25-20 Win. There are many "Hornet" size actions & bolt faces, on the market, than for the .25-20 WCF. The .25-20 is still loaded by Winchester & Remington but EXPENSIVE!! Take the K-Hornet necked up to .257" and load it with 60 to 75 grain bullets and you'll have a nice round.
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I was looking at the cost of the brass as 5.7x25 usually can be had for picking it up off the ground.
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I understand there are two issues with reloading the 5.7x28 FN. The first is the case coating which doesn't hold up well during the reloading process. The second is that cases fired in the pistol (I believe) will have the shoulder moved forward and reshaping back to the original location weakens the brass. There is a fiveseven website with folks far more knowledgable than I.
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You right about the coating, some of the brass I've picked up has the coating pealing off. I know they haven't been out in the weather that long. Chances are the coating is used as a lubricant for proper gun cycling. No mfgr is going to coat their cases so they will stay shiney.
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The coating is there to assist feeding and extraction since the case has zero body taper. Although that doesn't present a problem for a bolt action or single shot, I don't know how easy it is to remove since it's not lacquer, but a polymer. Some on the website I mentioned have attempted to repair the coating with mixed results.

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The coating could be a acrylic finish much like the floor finishes used in many buildings. Those finishes are very hard and are water based. To apply the finish all one need to do is dip and let dry.
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