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Old 03-27-2004, 07:46 PM
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Pre or post 64 link issue


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I have a winchester used model 94 in the 30-30 cal and was made in 1958 not totaly sure. I check the internet. It stated 1958 but the dealer said 1956, Yikes.

While completely cleaning, I notice that while running the action slowing it caused a cartridge to pop under the carrier causing a feeding jam. I thought it might be a carrier spring issue and order one. This has not solved it. I have also seen some wear on the plate link where the cartiridge is suppose to stop. I looks broken and more flat. I compared it my post 94 and there does seem to be some wear on that part.

Question 1: Can a gunsmith weld and grind the link to increase the cartridge stopper. Would it make weak or would it break of later and cause more of a problem.

Question 2: Is the link the same as post 94 with the screw. Could I order a newer model LINK and put it on a pre 64. I notice that the post 64 are much thicker than the PRE 64 Models.

Question 3: If the link are the same should I replace the the cartiridge carrier and link at the same time.

Before I head to smiths shop and fork over $$ I was wondering about a replacement part. Sure the cost is there but if the item going where to break again I would like replace it with a new one.

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Old 03-28-2004, 09:23 AM
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The cartridge stop at the front of the link is a simple fix for smith familiar with the design and function of the rifle.
I've had one that became worn enough to need fixed. The smith worked it over and recontoured it. Never had a problem after that.

I doube that the post 64's would enterchange, they don't have the hole for the retaining pin.
Since 1964 I think they have made several changes to the link.
If it was my gun, I'd have the original repaired.

Just FYI, a mdl 94 should not have a cartridge under the lifter jam no matter how fast or slow you cycle the action.

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Old 03-28-2004, 03:20 PM
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But that is the problem with this one. The first time the spring was worn almost flat and the carrier would open prematurely, this would feed the cartridge too soon(fast or slow).
After the spring was changed during a fast cycle of the lever the bullet would feed properly but if where to slow down the bullet went under the carrier (while it was up) between link and the carrier. I would need to remove the mag plus and spring to remove the bullet. I bought it used and am working all the bugs out. This is the last bug I hope.


I think I will try to have it brazed and contoured. I thought the links might be different and like the action of this gun.


Will head over to the smith shop to have it done.

Thanks

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Old 04-22-2004, 12:06 PM
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Got a new link and it fits great but the guy told me that there where more problems. He notice that the cuurent mag follower is more like a marlin in a winchester. He and I looked at it more. The carrier spring has caused a burr on hte carrier, the follower needs changing( which by the way caused the wear on the cartiridge stopper). I have not sent the old link to be fixed yet. I have notice that there is much homesmiting in its past. wrong screwdrivers. I had to order new screws and bands, new sights, and have notice that there is a pause in the action.

I think that is caused by the new carrier spring that was put in. I have another one but it is curved more than the old one. Is this normal or can I use a post type spring as there is no one has a new one in the pre version.

There is two screws on the side for a side mount sight in the reciever which I plugged with post reciever screws. Should i use locktite to hold these in or should they be fine if I leave them.

By the time I fix it I might not have enought money for ammo. (heh)

I have never even fired the thing. I wonder if it works.
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Old 04-23-2004, 03:43 PM
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Pre-64 and post-64 carrier springs are very different.
Try Winchester Bobs; http://winchesterbob.com/ , and Brownells; http://www.brownells.com/ , for your spring. Brownells pre-64 stuff is not in the factory parts section, they are else where.

The carrier springs will take a set. When you take a 94 apart, don't take the carrier spring out unless it's broken or worn, or you replace the carrier. In my experiance they won't work properly when you put them back together.
Since the carrier spring has made a bur on the carrier, I'd suggest replacing it. It may be less expensive and easier than haveing it repaired. There are several variations of carriers even in the Pre-64's so make sure you oder by serial number.

The plug screws don't need loctite.

Don't have the cartridge stop on the link brazed, have it welded with steel weld. It will last longer.

The magazine follower should be just forward of flush with the inside wall of the reciever when correct, and the cartridge stop should be about 1/16th of an inch away from it. Just pointed enough to stop the case from reaching the carrier.
I can't do you a pic without tearing mine apart or I would. Like I said above, there should not be an under the carrier jam, no matter how slow or fast you cycle the action on a Mdl 94. There is only ONE thing that controls the feeding of the cartridges from the magazine and that's the cartridge stop on the front of the link.

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Old 05-29-2004, 08:39 PM
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Thanks Joe, the follower was flat and order a new one. This solved the problem with the worn link. It was hitting the cartridge stop on the link.

When I got the link back there was a pause and stick in hte action. This puzzled me alot. I slowly opened and closed the action and notice that the "lever" hit the link plate and it seemed to stick. I ask the smith and he told me to sand with 600 grit paper "lightly" and persto it works fine. BTW the cartridge spring and lifter are working well. It fires just fine.

I have found this resource a great help.
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Old 05-30-2004, 10:38 AM
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Joe,

Winchester reintroduced the link pin locking screw to the link in 1990. FWIW
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Old 05-31-2004, 11:52 AM
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DLS,

Yep, I knew that. We were discussing the older 94's and it never entered my mind that the newer links might be useable on them.

Joe
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Old 06-01-2004, 03:34 PM
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Joe,

Good thread goin' here, I had heard you could use the new links on the pre's, but never knew for certain (till now:-).
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Old 06-06-2004, 08:00 AM
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[I brazed up the cartridge stop on my 94.

Used nickel/silver alloy and filed it to the proper shape with a tiny file and then 600 paper on a flat surface. The nickel silver work hardens as you file and sand it becoming very durable.

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Old 05-26-2005, 01:52 AM
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boy oh boy, was i happy to hear that this same dangerous thing happened to someone else and nobody got hurt. and found a discussion for it! now i can go forward with a fix with some degree of knowledge that there is a repair. (sounds silly?) well, i called winchester and found that my 94 was manufactured from parts made from the beginning of manufacture to 1964 along with a bunch of 'um. to make the best of, you know, parts laying around. gunsmith can do that ya know. i could have sent it to them but i am cheap.(boo) that, in itself, is dangerous to something that goes boom! thanks for the info guys.
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